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	<title>Comments on: Which Team is Better &#8211; 2002 or 2009?</title>
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		<title>By: afrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>afrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you cant discount the impact Sanneh had at RB....he played the tourney of his life and was an absolute phyiscal specimen back there....a poor man&#039;s Maicon if you will.  Im not sure if Spector has the raw tools that Sanneh had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you cant discount the impact Sanneh had at RB&#8230;.he played the tourney of his life and was an absolute phyiscal specimen back there&#8230;.a poor man&#8217;s Maicon if you will.  Im not sure if Spector has the raw tools that Sanneh had.</p>
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		<title>By: Goalscorer24</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goalscorer24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree the 2002 team had some good players on the bench. But the 2009 team has that potential too. I think the bigger question between the two teams is the coach. Arena took some chances in the world cup with a couple of young players. Will Bradley do the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the 2002 team had some good players on the bench. But the 2009 team has that potential too. I think the bigger question between the two teams is the coach. Arena took some chances in the world cup with a couple of young players. Will Bradley do the same?</p>
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		<title>By: Soccer Guru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soccer Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with Kartik that the 02 team was much better than today&#039;s team, the bottom line is that this team will change before next year has the potential to be very good. Recall that 02 team had three key guys, DMB, Landon and Mastro that did not play at all in qualifying. We could have Rogers, Castillo and J. Jones do the same next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with Kartik that the 02 team was much better than today&#8217;s team, the bottom line is that this team will change before next year has the potential to be very good. Recall that 02 team had three key guys, DMB, Landon and Mastro that did not play at all in qualifying. We could have Rogers, Castillo and J. Jones do the same next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reyna was tough, but not a defensive MF.  He played best with Armas or Masetroeni behind him.  The 2002 WC was Pablo&#039;s &quot;coming-out&quot; party as Armas was hurt in the build-up.

I continue to argue that people don&#039;t give enough credit to the impact Reyna made on the USMNT team.  He was not good enough to overcome the fatal flaws of the 1998 and 2006 teams, but since he has left the team, the US has not had one clear player to control/dictate the tempo and style of play.  This leads to the schizophrenic results of the last 3 years.

It may be argued that Stewart was maxed out by 2002, but he was playing at a great level at time.  He was probably the most reliable player during 2001 and 2002, and a 2002 Earnie Stewart would be a consistant starter on this team in my opinion, probably with Dempsey pushed up top.

The biggest impact on the 2002 team was a healthy John O&#039;Brien.  He had never played consistantly for the US, and his impact was glaring.  The 2009 team does not have a player in his prime that can make that type of combined tactical and technical impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reyna was tough, but not a defensive MF.  He played best with Armas or Masetroeni behind him.  The 2002 WC was Pablo&#8217;s &#8220;coming-out&#8221; party as Armas was hurt in the build-up.</p>
<p>I continue to argue that people don&#8217;t give enough credit to the impact Reyna made on the USMNT team.  He was not good enough to overcome the fatal flaws of the 1998 and 2006 teams, but since he has left the team, the US has not had one clear player to control/dictate the tempo and style of play.  This leads to the schizophrenic results of the last 3 years.</p>
<p>It may be argued that Stewart was maxed out by 2002, but he was playing at a great level at time.  He was probably the most reliable player during 2001 and 2002, and a 2002 Earnie Stewart would be a consistant starter on this team in my opinion, probably with Dempsey pushed up top.</p>
<p>The biggest impact on the 2002 team was a healthy John O&#8217;Brien.  He had never played consistantly for the US, and his impact was glaring.  The 2009 team does not have a player in his prime that can make that type of combined tactical and technical impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Seybold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seybold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My gut feeling is to say the 2002 squad was much, much better 1-22 for the reasons Kartik states, and because they made the quarterfinals. However, in fairness I don&#039;t think you can compare them until after the current bunch plays in the World Cup, assuming they qualify.

Remember, that very same 2002 USA team was in 4th place after 8 rounds of qualifying, behind Mexico on goal difference, back when only 3 teams qualified the WC--no 4th place playoff back then. That bunch came very close to being a disaster. 

The team that won qualification ended up being different from the team at the WC--Arena took big chances, starting youngsters Landon Donovan and DaMarcus Beasley to great effect in the first match against Portugal. Neither of them had played in qualifying until the final irrelevant match. 

We all know who similar nominees are for the USA in 2009.

I hope Bradley understands how forming a team for the World Cup is different than qualifying. Arena was conservative in his selections during qualifying, but not in the WC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My gut feeling is to say the 2002 squad was much, much better 1-22 for the reasons Kartik states, and because they made the quarterfinals. However, in fairness I don&#8217;t think you can compare them until after the current bunch plays in the World Cup, assuming they qualify.</p>
<p>Remember, that very same 2002 USA team was in 4th place after 8 rounds of qualifying, behind Mexico on goal difference, back when only 3 teams qualified the WC&#8211;no 4th place playoff back then. That bunch came very close to being a disaster. </p>
<p>The team that won qualification ended up being different from the team at the WC&#8211;Arena took big chances, starting youngsters Landon Donovan and DaMarcus Beasley to great effect in the first match against Portugal. Neither of them had played in qualifying until the final irrelevant match. </p>
<p>We all know who similar nominees are for the USA in 2009.</p>
<p>I hope Bradley understands how forming a team for the World Cup is different than qualifying. Arena was conservative in his selections during qualifying, but not in the WC.</p>
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		<title>By: Kartik Mehta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kartik Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then your requirements are different. Being offered to go to AC Milan means Pope&#039;s definitely as good as Onyewu, and who knows how Onyewu&#039;s choice will work out....Also, Berhalter and Sanneh were in Europe at the time, so.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then your requirements are different. Being offered to go to AC Milan means Pope&#8217;s definitely as good as Onyewu, and who knows how Onyewu&#8217;s choice will work out&#8230;.Also, Berhalter and Sanneh were in Europe at the time, so&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Altshule</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Altshule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, neither of these teams is Brazil 1970.  That being said…

Kartik K-  If the 2002 bench was that much better, I am not seeing it.  Putting Cobi aside (no argument – a great player), a 33 year old Ernie Stewart or a Joe Max Moore who had already maxed out his career and would barely kick a ball again after 2002 is not some giant triumph.  Similarly, I love Hejduk, but while he was the books at Bayer Leverkusen, he was never on the field.  He was not a regular club player until he joined the Crew again.  Also, while Clint Mathis had a great World Cup (or at least a great goal against South Korea), he will go down as the greatest “what could have been” player in US history.  What does all that mean?  The2009 US bench with Edu, Feilhaber, Cherundelo, Torres, Holden, Ching, Castillo (maybe), Marshall, and others is not so far from the mark.  The 2009 team is thinner at striker perhaps, but thicker in other areas.

DA – You are right.  We are, to some degree moving sideways.  However, the 2009 team is still very young, and there are only a few players who are not likely to still be available and improved in four years.  I do think we are on the verge of a big upgrade, though we may not be there yet.

Kartik M – (what are the odds of two Kartik’s replying to this post?)  Whether Pope is our greatest defender or not (I would never give that award to someone who spent his entire career in the MLS), I still prefer the current back line.  They play in tough leagues against tough teams for 9 ½ months a year.  The biggest concern the US team has at the moment is Gooch, and how much time he will see in Milan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, neither of these teams is Brazil 1970.  That being said…</p>
<p>Kartik K-  If the 2002 bench was that much better, I am not seeing it.  Putting Cobi aside (no argument – a great player), a 33 year old Ernie Stewart or a Joe Max Moore who had already maxed out his career and would barely kick a ball again after 2002 is not some giant triumph.  Similarly, I love Hejduk, but while he was the books at Bayer Leverkusen, he was never on the field.  He was not a regular club player until he joined the Crew again.  Also, while Clint Mathis had a great World Cup (or at least a great goal against South Korea), he will go down as the greatest “what could have been” player in US history.  What does all that mean?  The2009 US bench with Edu, Feilhaber, Cherundelo, Torres, Holden, Ching, Castillo (maybe), Marshall, and others is not so far from the mark.  The 2009 team is thinner at striker perhaps, but thicker in other areas.</p>
<p>DA – You are right.  We are, to some degree moving sideways.  However, the 2009 team is still very young, and there are only a few players who are not likely to still be available and improved in four years.  I do think we are on the verge of a big upgrade, though we may not be there yet.</p>
<p>Kartik M – (what are the odds of two Kartik’s replying to this post?)  Whether Pope is our greatest defender or not (I would never give that award to someone who spent his entire career in the MLS), I still prefer the current back line.  They play in tough leagues against tough teams for 9 ½ months a year.  The biggest concern the US team has at the moment is Gooch, and how much time he will see in Milan.</p>
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		<title>By: Kartik Mehta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kartik Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your argument that the 2009 defense is better simply because &quot;they play against the rooney&#039;s and torres&#039; of europe&quot; is flawed. Pope is our best defender ever. Bocanegra for all the leadership he offers, is slow and shaky. DeMerit plays in the championship, and spector is more of squad player. I&#039;d take the 2002 team any day when you include Hejduk to the back four you named above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument that the 2009 defense is better simply because &#8220;they play against the rooney&#8217;s and torres&#8217; of europe&#8221; is flawed. Pope is our best defender ever. Bocanegra for all the leadership he offers, is slow and shaky. DeMerit plays in the championship, and spector is more of squad player. I&#8217;d take the 2002 team any day when you include Hejduk to the back four you named above.</p>
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		<title>By: DA in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>DA in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that you have to even compare these two teams is the problem.  At best, we&#039;re moving sideways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you have to even compare these two teams is the problem.  At best, we&#8217;re moving sideways.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously you can argue theoretical &#039;better&#039; all day long ( and I will read it too ), but the results are what matters.  
I think it is real easy to say France WCup stunk ( it did I was there ) and &#039;02 was great ( it was ), without realizing that a break here or there and it could be reversed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously you can argue theoretical &#8216;better&#8217; all day long ( and I will read it too ), but the results are what matters.<br />
I think it is real easy to say France WCup stunk ( it did I was there ) and &#8216;02 was great ( it was ), without realizing that a break here or there and it could be reversed.</p>
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