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  1. afrim
    afrim
    July 3, 2010 at 8:24 am | | Reply


    im glad i wasnt the only one who felt more proud of the US team after watching the sillyness of yesterday’s games.

    Thank GOD Forlan scored the equilizer early or else we would have seen several Ghanians taking turns laying on the ground every few mins. They did the same to us in 2006

  2. Sean
    Sean
    July 3, 2010 at 9:17 am | | Reply


    The problem with this vitriol is that it is typical language for losers. Taking the “high” ground. Being morally responsible, blah, blah, blah…..

    Be proud of the US team for their outright effort, but be fully aware that if they played the first half of the game the way they played the second half, they very well may have moved on to the next round. PERIOD.

    Nothing will disguise that fact.

    The fact that they did not resort to the antics that some of the other teams pull is really irrelevant, as it is not how the game is intended to be played, it is HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.

    There will be no rules changes that can change the acting that goes on.

    And….. no one will remember second best.

    1. njndirish
      July 3, 2010 at 11:21 am | | Reply


      Except the 1982 Brazil side

      1. MP
        MP
        July 3, 2010 at 1:02 pm | | Reply


        I don’t remember them.

        1. njndirish
          July 3, 2010 at 3:00 pm | | Reply


          Ask any soccer fan who has watched the sport since 1982, and mention the 1982 Brazil side.

          Also I should have added the 1974 Dutch side, another memorable team.

        2. remember
          remember
          July 4, 2010 at 1:10 am | | Reply


          I remember the 1966 german side, 1974 dutch side, 1982 brazil side, 1994 italian side, 1998 brazil side, 2002 german side, and 2006 french side. among others.

  3. adam
    adam
    July 3, 2010 at 9:27 am | | Reply


    I am proud of our team but we may have been hit by less ‘snipers” but in fact there was def. some acting going on from our side.

  4. Lars Lowther
    Lars Lowther
    July 3, 2010 at 9:30 am | | Reply


    It seems a little high and mighty to be talking about how there was no playacting going on.

    The goal that was held back from the US against Slovenia came off an extremely dodgy foul call (which led me to believe the ref was just evening things up when he called another dodgy foul call halting the goal).

  5. Jim
    Jim
    July 3, 2010 at 9:35 am | | Reply


    I don’t agree. In the sporting culture of the US, a player would be expected to cheat as Suarez did in order to try and get a chance to continue the game. Also, our forward, Jozy Altidore, tended to fall a bit easily whenever there was contact from other teams. An example being the foul called against Slovenia that resulted in the infamous free kick/non-goal. Don’t let the flag you wrap around yourself cover your eyes.
    Like the poster above me wrote, I don’t believe in moral victories like this. That and a dollar will get you a double cheeseburger at McDonalds.

    1. Cuba Rebel
      Cuba Rebel
      July 3, 2010 at 3:04 pm | | Reply


      what suarez did was nothing wrong; he didnt simulate or any of that he didnt wine about it, he did what any other player would have done; try and give his team a fair chance, not his fault gyan missed

  6. sergio lima
    sergio lima
    July 3, 2010 at 9:58 am | | Reply


    I think FIFA, who loves to penalize people for everything, should start using the tape to penalize divers after the matches. Imagine if the FIFA court could decided today that Reuben and other two dutch players were out of the next game for cheating, this plus all the players they already have out could very well cost them a spot in the final. Once they start suspending players they will do less of this BS, otherwise, they are going to continue with this annoying BS. In Brazil there is a great player called Neymar, he is very very good when he wants to play but he loves to dive. What is happening now is that all refs already know that and unless they are 150% sure about the fault they never call it. He is hurting his team now.

    1. bayou
      bayou
      July 3, 2010 at 11:05 am | | Reply


      Expecting FIFA to do that is like expecting the NCAA to do the same. FIFA and the NCAA are two of the most worthless ruling bodies in all of sports. They often take a course of inaction in order to preserve the status quo and then randomly penalize a bunch of people years after the fact so that they look legit.

      Every country play acts except for the Middle Eastern nations. Dempsey and Altidore both play act for calls, it rarely works, but they do it. Japan has increasingly been prone to flopping and diving. Blame Italy for the flopping trend, blame Portugal for perfecting it, and blame Mexico for bringing it to the US.

  7. jose
    jose
    July 3, 2010 at 12:15 pm | | Reply


    defense, our backline in particular.

  8. Tbpirate
    Tbpirate
    July 3, 2010 at 12:33 pm | | Reply


    As a player I never faked a foul. I was taught that doing so, and those doing so were not true players and were lesser men. Now as I continue to be a part of the game as a referee, I don’t put up with it.

    I agree FIFA should fine these players that continue to flop and fake. Hit them in the pocket books!

  9. MP
    MP
    July 3, 2010 at 1:00 pm | | Reply


    Jozy Altidore has a habit of faking fouls, too.

  10. US Fanball
    US Fanball
    July 3, 2010 at 1:29 pm | | Reply


    First touch is the biggest difference.
    If US players had good first touch, they would be identical to Germany.

    1. The Gaffer
      The Gaffer
      July 3, 2010 at 1:40 pm | | Reply


      US Fanball, I thought it was the last touch that was lacking from the United States. They had so many chances to score but their final touch failed them.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

  11. doug
    doug
    July 3, 2010 at 3:17 pm | | Reply


    Please, Josi Altidore is a definite diver. I didn’t see Germany diving too much today…

    After watching Germany today I think its time the USMNT got a German coach…

    1. whataboutbob?!!
      whataboutbob?!!
      July 4, 2010 at 1:06 am | | Reply


      Schweinsteiger is an inveterate flopper and diver, so much so they called him out on Zonal Marking, a site that only talks about tactics. I would agree with German or Dutch, but not merely for coach. We should bring in administrators and youth coaches in order to adopt their development system as well.

  12. CoconutMonkey
    CoconutMonkey
    July 3, 2010 at 11:38 pm | | Reply


    To the Gaffer: As much as I’d like to totally agree with you on this one, we shouldn’t hold ourselves up as the golden standard of fair play. I think we’ve seen our share of gamesmanship during the tourney as well. Namely Dempsey’s elbow, and the yellow card Altidore drew against Ghana.

    To be fair though, I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone who says that we’re more cynical than the Italians or Portuguese.

    1. The Gaffer
      The Gaffer
      July 4, 2010 at 9:47 am | | Reply


      I’m not saying that Dempsey or the United States team don’t foul. I’m saying that they don’t cheat and dive.

      Cheers,
      The Gaffer

      1. doug
        doug
        July 4, 2010 at 12:31 pm | | Reply


        please, Altidore’s a total diver… but I agree we don’t dive as much or as blatantly as some of the other teams..

  13. ELAC
    ELAC
    July 4, 2010 at 10:47 am | | Reply


    We don’t cheat and we don’t dive. We also don’t get much calls our way either. Frankly, we don’t get our of group consistently, either. It’s all about our expectations. Great, another USMNT World Cup let down, too.

  14. WSW
    WSW
    July 4, 2010 at 1:47 pm | | Reply


    Everybody cheats and dives, it’s just the way you interpret it. Some say it’s taking advantage of the situation for your team. It’s the way the ref makes the call, either he gives a yellow card for the violation and FIFA gives a fine, or we will see this more often.

  15. Miket
    Miket
    July 4, 2010 at 2:48 pm | | Reply


    I like this topic. I was thinking about it the other day after Robben went for an oscar. But, the system seems to reward it. After all, the Brazilians are going home.
    For flopping, I think there’s definitely a continuum, and it’s not an either/or situation. The US definitely dives and flops, but way way less than a lot of the other countries.
    I have been impressed with the Germans too in this regard. Mueller could have easily stayed down and grabbed his shin with a phantom injury yesterday, but he kept playing and it led to Germany’s second goal. The problem is, most players think it’s more advantageous in that situation to get a free kick, and until the refs stop blowing the whistle for every little nick and scrape, they will continue to do so.

    1. doug
      doug
      July 4, 2010 at 3:20 pm | | Reply


      In the same vein, on one of Altidore’s breakaways against Ghana, he was touched in the box — a potential foul — and his instincts were to dive, only he realized he still had the ball and an open net. Had he just concentrated on scoring rather than thinking “should i dive?” the US would still be at the World Cup.

  16. G. Hartmann
    G. Hartmann
    July 4, 2010 at 4:06 pm | | Reply


    maybee the number of hardcore supporters between europe or south american Countries and the USA is very different.
    I was in New york in 2006 during the world soccer Championship and there was not an only big after game Party (with big i mean more then 10.000Party people). Players need supporters to be successfull. So that they know how important and full of responsibility they are for ther nation.
    Fan Party Berlin: 350.000 Party People! look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiu_cPR6IHk&feature=related
    I am sure if there would bu same big partis in the middle of NY or LA the american soccer players would be much more succsessfull.
    Se you in WM 2014

  17. UpTheBlues
    UpTheBlues
    July 6, 2010 at 6:17 pm | | Reply


    Clint Dempsey is a terrible diver… he’s on the ground half the game.

  18. Adam
    Adam
    July 7, 2010 at 10:48 am | | Reply


    I generally agree that US Players flopped less than your average national team this year, though I would dispute your assertion that South Korea doesn’t cheat. While, perhaps, players on that side have, as a team, dove less and played relatively fair soccer, South Korean football, and the South Korean sports establishment in general has a long and storied history of cheating and corruption to glorify their nationals. Just take a look at the 2002 World Cup or the 1988 Olympics, in particular the Roy Jones Jr. fight which was later revealed to have been fixed

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