28 Responses

  1. Lars
    Lars
    October 20, 2009 at 12:47 am | | Reply


    Nice article.

    One issue: Philly is going to have a TFC-Philly derby whether they want it or not. Toronto supporters want to go to a place that’s actually respectable and have a respectable derby…not like the one with the blood crazy, low class Columbus Crew supporters.

  2. CoconutMonkey
    CoconutMonkey
    October 20, 2009 at 3:37 am | | Reply


    Good Stuff. It’s always great to hear about proper clubs doing well. We need more teams with this kind of vision in North America.

    Now if they only did something about that logo… ;)

  3. man99utd
    man99utd
    October 20, 2009 at 7:16 am | | Reply


    A serious youth development system….this is what needs to take place throughout the MLS. We need to grab our best talent before the rest of the world spots them. We may still lose a few but the price to be alot higher. Superb article.

  4. CarlosT
    CarlosT
    October 20, 2009 at 7:54 am | | Reply


    Vancouver is one of my favorite cities in the whole world and I have a lot of respect for the Whitecaps. I’m already looking forward to some beautiful trips up to Vancouver for away matches (hopefully to end with a Sounders victory).

    One nitpick: the Sounders were the fifteenth team; Philly will be the sixteenth.

  5. Joey Clams
    Joey Clams
    October 20, 2009 at 9:08 am | | Reply


    Because I’m an American soccer fan, I’m supposed to care about Vancouver, right? I know that it’s written somewhere.

    I’d love to see the Toronto fans, by the way, start crap near the stadium in Chester. Philly fans won’t do a thing, of course, but the locals might. Word to the wise, folks.

    1. Lars
      Lars
      October 20, 2009 at 5:24 pm | | Reply


      Where is it written that this is solely a website about american football? I didn’t see you complaining when stuff about other CONCACAF nations was posted.

      You have an unrealistic hate on, and the more you talk, the more i think you’re a lame Columbus supporter.

      1. Joey Clams
        Joey Clams
        October 20, 2009 at 7:02 pm | | Reply


        You go, girl!

        1. sam
          sam
          October 20, 2009 at 8:46 pm | | Reply


          after arguing with lars all week on the concacaf posts, i completely agree today man, im an american and toronto is my team(season ticket holder) so dont bash them you piece of garbage

          1. Lars
            Lars
            October 20, 2009 at 10:25 pm |


            You don’t happen to be RPB do you?

  6. Matt Johnston
    October 20, 2009 at 9:19 am | | Reply


    Question for you? What impact do you see of Vancouver’s residency/academy program on the MLS? What is the advantage, financially of the program as well as the impact in play?

    I see that as Vancouver and clubs like Chicago, New York and DC get more and more adept at developing players through the academy, MLS change its rules allowing salary cap exemptions for academy developed players, similar to the Generation Addidas exemptions for college underclassman.

  7. man99utd
    man99utd
    October 20, 2009 at 9:41 am | | Reply


    As these academy developed players increase the MLS will have to change more than the salary cap. It will have to effectively scrap the college draft system. Why wait to obtain talent at 20-22 when I can have it much sooner. This will put the MLS on par with the rest of the world and begin to erase the world’s current advantage. Kids who have no chance of attending university shouldn’t be locked out of football in America.

  8. Tom
    Tom
    October 20, 2009 at 11:12 am | | Reply


    Informative article, thank you. I’m excited for the league and the sport, although I get the feeling MLS silverwear for the Rapids is becoming a more and more distant dream with each season.

  9. LE Eisenmenger
    October 20, 2009 at 11:38 am | | Reply


    Vancouver is clear with its residential academy players that participation will exclude a college playing career and lucrative scholarships, even if they leave the academy. In the near future it’s unlikely that MLS clubs will be willing to put top players in the same bind when potential player dividends are so disparate. Also, Vancouver has no restrictions on the radius from which they draw academy players now, but will face them in MLS in 2011. In that matter something will have to change by 2011, either for Vancouver or in MLS restrictions. Chicago will be the likely second with a residential academy, in planning now.

    Also, there are reasons the NCAA could find justification to loosen certain restrictions or look the other way in this matter.

  10. todd
    todd
    October 20, 2009 at 12:48 pm | | Reply


    uhhhh… yea, last time I checked the rules MLS has on development and u18/u16 squads and team rosters and etc. right now would completely squash what the White Caps do. Right now MLS squads are only allowed 2 ‘home-grown’ players before the rest of the league is allowed to go grab them up…. this will have to change if we want other teams to have these sorts of things…

  11. djmk
    djmk
    October 20, 2009 at 12:55 pm | | Reply


    The Whitecaps are awesome. when they enter the MLS, the Pacific Northwest rivalry and the inter-canadian rivalry is going to be first class. The pain of them losing to Montreal last weekend still hurts.

    The only problem i foresee is the stadium. As mentioned, they are set to play in BC Place come their inaugural season. This stadium blows for soccer. Sure, they are doing upgrades and hopefully a new roof, but it won’t disguise that it is a huge lifeless concrete structure. This stadium was no good in 1983 and I’m afraid that it won’t be any good in 2011.

  12. Jason
    Jason
    October 20, 2009 at 1:00 pm | | Reply


    Yes you should care about Vancouver Joey Clams. They will put $5m into the pockets of the AMERICAN based MLS teams in 2011.

  13. Pro
    Pro
    October 20, 2009 at 2:01 pm | | Reply


    Unfortunately, this season, Whitecaps are charging a fee for their identified Prospects at U11 to U13. Hardly the actions of a true professional club

  14. Charles
    Charles
    October 20, 2009 at 2:43 pm | | Reply


    I didn’t realize that BC Place will be topped out at 20k. That is a bummer and to be frank, just plain stupid. Vancouver regularly drew in the mid 20k, 30 years ago, and had a successful USL franchise, is attenance going to be less now ? The Sounders in the exact same situation historically might show the answer to be no.

    Bizzare how the MLS is ill equipped to handle a growing sport. Like adding another team in Canada with another max-20k seating arrangement is smart looking at Toronto’s inability to raise attendance to 30k/game in next few years.

    Oh I am sorry, full disclosure, the MLS line is those stadiums are great and intimate.

    1. Lars
      Lars
      October 20, 2009 at 5:22 pm | | Reply


      Um, BC Place is terrible viewing for any game of any kind. Brutal for football, brutal for soccer. Of course they’re going to cap it, because it seats over 40,000 people and even if it draws 25,000, it will look bad on TV.

      If you ever watch CFL Football, you’d realize this.

      The Stadium has a dual roof structure for a reason as well. If the game is a big one, they can open the one roof and keep all the seats still. If the game is a small one, they can open both, and have a 20,000 seater. I don’t know why this doesn’t make sense, considering it will allow the team to fill the seats according to the demand while not looking retarded on TV with a half empty stadium.

    2. Lars
      Lars
      October 20, 2009 at 5:23 pm | | Reply


      Oh and word is Toronto Is adding capacity to BMO next year and the stadium will likely seat 24,000-28,000. The Beer garden is being removed in favour of more seating. Thanks.

  15. Chris
    Chris
    October 20, 2009 at 8:16 pm | | Reply


    umm bc place lower bowl will hold around 29,000 I heard and I can see us filling that. though can’t wait till the waterfront stadium, if it ever happens.

    1. Lars
      Lars
      October 20, 2009 at 10:26 pm | | Reply


      I dunno, the Van Sun and the Province reported a dual retractable roof and reno that will limit the size to about 20k.

  16. Chet Suabo
    Chet Suabo
    October 20, 2009 at 10:48 pm | | Reply


    BC Place is an AWFUL facility. I was at game 1 back in ’83. It was fitting that Loverboy christened that building with their arena rock stylings. Vancouver had a great stadium (only 39 years old) called Empire Stadium but it wasn’t “world class” enough. If they had refurbished it, it would have been awesome. It held 32,000 and beautiful vistas. It had an awful turf but that could have been fixed.

    Hopefully a new one will be built in the next few years,. BC Place is only suitable for boat shows.

    1. Fred
      Fred
      October 21, 2009 at 7:14 pm | | Reply


      Empire Stadium was the AWFUL stadium for soccer. Any stadium that has a running track pushes the seating a mile back. The great soccer stadiums, the fans are right up close to the field.

  17. CA
    CA
    October 21, 2009 at 5:46 pm | | Reply


    “Even in Seattle it is not common place to hear conversation about the intricacies of zonal marking and why the offside trap isn’t working. At Qwest Field you get the impression that some fans are there to ride the Sounder wave and experience their first football rush.”

    This simply is not an accurate statement.

  18. Phil
    Phil
    October 22, 2009 at 1:50 am | | Reply


    One question: How will any of the USL Whitecaps resident players become the property of MLS Whitecaps? If that is the case, this truly will become a case of promotion.

  19. man99utd
    man99utd
    October 22, 2009 at 12:57 pm | | Reply


    It’s time for MLS to grow up and be a proper league. Let’s cut the NCAA umbilical cord and have done with it. The Whitecaps are doing something innovative (for North America). By the time kids reach college age in America they’re light years behind kids from the rest of the world that are snapped up by academies. I’ve never liked the draft system that rewards failure in the name of parity. Additionally, it generally locks out kids who can’t afford to attend university nor talented enough to receive one of the limited amount of scholarships available.

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