Comments on: Should Results Really Matter For MLS? http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472 Daily Analysis of Major League Soccer Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:27:37 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: RaiderRich2001 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18724 RaiderRich2001 Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:02:49 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18724 Look, if you're not going to read the article, just say "tl;dr" and move on. Look, if you’re not going to read the article, just say “tl;dr” and move on.

]]> By: Bolacuadrada http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18719 Bolacuadrada Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:10:56 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18719 What a joke. Somebody in a previous post put the Mexican League at the same level with the EPL, Serie A and La Liga. How far fanatics go, Ha. I like to watch MLS games and I think the MLS is a very entertaining league (but that should not matter to our fans, ha). I only watch 2 leagues this time of the year; the Brasileirao and the MLS. The European leagues, the NFL, and College Football are next. What a joke. Somebody in a previous post put the Mexican League at the same level with the EPL, Serie A and La Liga. How far fanatics go, Ha. I like to watch MLS games and I think the MLS is a very entertaining league (but that should not matter to our fans, ha). I only watch 2 leagues this time of the year; the Brasileirao and the MLS. The European leagues, the NFL, and College Football are next.

]]> By: Yankeehooligan http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18716 Yankeehooligan Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:38:27 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18716 Go local, whatever the league. Hell, I lived in Charlotte for a few months and attended a ton of Eagles games. They used to wear these ridiculous uniforms with crosses on the front because they were sponsored by Christian Chic-fil-a. Now it's just on their crest, I believe. The atmosphere sucked but it was the best I could do locally. Go local, whatever the league. Hell, I lived in Charlotte for a few months and attended a ton of Eagles games. They used to wear these ridiculous uniforms with crosses on the front because they were sponsored by Christian Chic-fil-a. Now it’s just on their crest, I believe. The atmosphere sucked but it was the best I could do locally.

]]> By: BIG D http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18715 BIG D Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:30:57 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18715 I thought this was Major League Soccer Talk not the Unobody cares about Shitty League Talk I thought this was Major League Soccer Talk not the Unobody cares about Shitty League Talk

]]> By: Kartik Krishnaiyer http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18710 Kartik Krishnaiyer Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:17:50 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18710 Fair enough YH. Diego Serna was actually good in the 1998-2001 time period although I always note he never played up top well without a better striker- Welton, Eric Wynalda, Roy Lassiter and finally Chacon. I agree with you about why they are defensive. But I don't like the fact so many say "support the game locally," and then say "don't support your local team because they are in the wrong league." Chris Carrieri............LOL! He did win an MLS Cup though IIRC with the ClashQuakes Fair enough YH.

Diego Serna was actually good in the 1998-2001 time period although I always note he never played up top well without a better striker- Welton, Eric Wynalda, Roy Lassiter and finally Chacon.

I agree with you about why they are defensive. But I don’t like the fact so many say “support the game locally,” and then say “don’t support your local team because they are in the wrong league.”

Chris Carrieri…………LOL! He did win an MLS Cup though IIRC with the ClashQuakes

]]> By: Yankeehooligan http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18709 Yankeehooligan Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:15:10 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18709 Ok, so my Diego Serna joke bombed. I was talking about when he played for the now defunct Miami Fusion (98-01). And I'm not lecturing you. I actually enjoy reading your articles because they present a perspective that is often WILDLY different than my own (that's why I keep coming back). But I have to call you on this: "I’m saying MLS is our league and these needless comparisons need to stop." The second paragraph of the article reads, "Those of us who watch football from around the globe do not rate MLS highly as a league." Aren't you comparing MLS quality to "football around the globe." As for USL, for every Charlie Davies, there's two Chris Carrieris, but I'll concede your point about PDL and Super Y attracting talented young Americans. But my point is that your rant against the quality of MLS is obvious and unnecessary. I think the reason most MLS fans are so defensive, as you say, is because the mainstream media in this country looks for any blood in the water when it comes to trashing soccer. So, when members of our own media trash the quality of MLS, it validates the stupidity spewed by the soccer-haters in the mainstream media. You live in South Florida, right? There's a lot of love down there for the beautiful game? I live in New York where baseball is king and according to (non-spanish) sports talk radio, soccer is queer. You can critique the league, but damning it to obscurity until is somehow creates an academy system that took other countries decades to develop does not help grow the sport. I'll hang up and listen to your answer, now. :) Ok, so my Diego Serna joke bombed. I was talking about when he played for the now defunct Miami Fusion (98-01). And I’m not lecturing you. I actually enjoy reading your articles because they present a perspective that is often WILDLY different than my own (that’s why I keep coming back).

But I have to call you on this: “I’m saying MLS is our league and these needless comparisons need to stop.” The second paragraph of the article reads, “Those of us who watch football from around the globe do not rate MLS highly as a league.” Aren’t you comparing MLS quality to “football around the globe.” As for USL, for every Charlie Davies, there’s two Chris Carrieris, but I’ll concede your point about PDL and Super Y attracting talented young Americans. But my point is that your rant against the quality of MLS is obvious and unnecessary.

I think the reason most MLS fans are so defensive, as you say, is because the mainstream media in this country looks for any blood in the water when it comes to trashing soccer. So, when members of our own media trash the quality of MLS, it validates the stupidity spewed by the soccer-haters in the mainstream media. You live in South Florida, right? There’s a lot of love down there for the beautiful game? I live in New York where baseball is king and according to (non-spanish) sports talk radio, soccer is queer. You can critique the league, but damning it to obscurity until is somehow creates an academy system that took other countries decades to develop does not help grow the sport. I’ll hang up and listen to your answer, now. :)

]]> By: CAsey http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18706 CAsey Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:00:40 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18706 I think the best thing for MLS to do is to require some sort of coaching experience outside the US. Time and time again we see these coaches coming for College soccer or working their way up through either an assistant coaching job or coaching in USL. Their knowledge of the game is severly hindered when they go down this path. Learning for coaches in more established soccer power countries is the only way we are going to be able to improve the coaching. Bringing over foreign coaches is not going to work and we've seen it fail numerous times in MLS. I know this would never happen, but its the only way to bring in the tactical knowledge that so many US coaches lack I think the best thing for MLS to do is to require some sort of coaching experience outside the US. Time and time again we see these coaches coming for College soccer or working their way up through either an assistant coaching job or coaching in USL. Their knowledge of the game is severly hindered when they go down this path. Learning for coaches in more established soccer power countries is the only way we are going to be able to improve the coaching. Bringing over foreign coaches is not going to work and we’ve seen it fail numerous times in MLS.

I know this would never happen, but its the only way to bring in the tactical knowledge that so many US coaches lack

]]> By: eplnfl http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18703 eplnfl Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:58:05 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18703 No one here should when they think about need to put down soccer at every level in the US. It's all good for the cause. So, no MLS v. USL war need breakout. We all need each other. I would love to see a uSL match just as much as many people in non MLS towns would love to see a MLS team play. Where all on the same side. In fact, I can't wait for the Fire to make the CCL in the future. With that good night to all and sweet dreams of the EPL on ESPN and think about this, the day ESPN has a EPL/MLS doublerheader is not far off. No one here should when they think about need to put down soccer at every level in the US. It’s all good for the cause. So, no MLS v. USL war need breakout. We all need each other. I would love to see a uSL match just as much as many people in non MLS towns would love to see a MLS team play. Where all on the same side. In fact, I can’t wait for the Fire to make the CCL in the future.

With that good night to all and sweet dreams of the EPL on ESPN and think about this, the day ESPN has a EPL/MLS doublerheader is not far off.

]]> By: Kartik Krishnaiyer http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18702 Kartik Krishnaiyer Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:44:16 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18702 Yankee Hooligan------if You actually read the piece you'd see we agree on 75% on your post. I'm saying MLS is our league and these needless comparisons need to stop. MLS fills stadiums- in fact MLS has the third highest attendance in the developed world- higher than italy, higher than spain, higher than france, higher than Holland. No argument there. It's actually the most successful league in the world from a ratio of filling stadiums. USL-1 is not a particularity good league, I agree e but I am tired of MLS fans telling me I should skip going to see my local team to watch MLS shows alot of you are hypocrites- support the teams in our country and in Canada but don't support your local team because that league should not exist. What a hypocritical argument. I also hate how MLS fans get so defensive about the league. Any critique is seen as an attack on the game. I've supported MLS since 1996, traveled to see games since my team was contracted and spent a ton of money I'll never get back supporting the league, so don't lecture me about this league. Also, who said anything about Diego Serna? He is terrible- 1 goal in the run of play all year. And furthermore, Miami FC fans wouldn't know what I am talking about dumbass. USL-1 is a no talent league for the most part- i've described it as a left over league of scraps in the past. I am talking about PDL and Super Y which Miami FC has no role in- they develop talent, and they see that talent go to Europe and bypass MLS. The names Jay DeMerit, Charlie Davies, Jonathan Spector, Heath Pearce and others should alarm you- that's what I am talking about not some 36 year old has been on Miami FC or in USL-1. Yankee Hooligan——if You actually read the piece you’d see we agree on 75% on your post.

I’m saying MLS is our league and these needless comparisons need to stop.

MLS fills stadiums- in fact MLS has the third highest attendance in the developed world- higher than italy, higher than spain, higher than france, higher than Holland. No argument there. It’s actually the most successful league in the world from a ratio of filling stadiums.

USL-1 is not a particularity good league, I agree e but I am tired of MLS fans telling me I should skip going to see my local team to watch MLS shows alot of you are hypocrites- support the teams in our country and in Canada but don’t support your local team because that league should not exist. What a hypocritical argument.

I also hate how MLS fans get so defensive about the league. Any critique is seen as an attack on the game. I’ve supported MLS since 1996, traveled to see games since my team was contracted and spent a ton of money I’ll never get back supporting the league, so don’t lecture me about this league.

Also, who said anything about Diego Serna? He is terrible- 1 goal in the run of play all year.

And furthermore, Miami FC fans wouldn’t know what I am talking about dumbass. USL-1 is a no talent league for the most part- i’ve described it as a left over league of scraps in the past. I am talking about PDL and Super Y which Miami FC has no role in- they develop talent, and they see that talent go to Europe and bypass MLS. The names Jay DeMerit, Charlie Davies, Jonathan Spector, Heath Pearce and others should alarm you- that’s what I am talking about not some 36 year old has been on Miami FC or in USL-1.

]]> By: eplnfl http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/should-results-really-matter-for-mls/5472#comment-18698 eplnfl Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:27:51 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5472#comment-18698 Kartik, I am happy to be loyal to the EPL/MLS Talk family of websites as I believe that they are the place for intelligent and insightful discussion of soccer on the net. Chris should be a proud man today since I believe his work with your help has in part lead to ESPN going big time on the EPL with it's Saturday and Monday broadcasts. You have almost singlehandely increased the profile of Concacaf soccer in general and taken on the euro snobs who refused to acknowledge that good soccer and great players where to be found in Concacaf countries. Your recent coverage of the USMNT has been exhaustive and extremely information. This site has been doing great work to promote USL and that should continue. Yes, no one has said that USL is better than MLS. One is left with the impression that the feelings of the various writers here who point out , what you have stated in your reply is that USL must be better. The articles have often been promoting, rightfully so, the better coaching in the USL, while pointing out a weakness in coaching in MLS, etc. The reader gains the impression after a good number of Good USL v. bad MLS posts, that MLS is an inferior league. It's very subliminal indeed, but one gains that feeling. I do not know if an editorial decision was made to run the CCL as the lead story today. The CCL looks to be an exciting competition and should be promoted here. It's good for all of Concacaf. However, the headline story could of been today 69,000 people see Seattle host Barcelona. The 2nd story could be the biggest house of the year see the Fire in the Superliga final. Even if Superliga is a sham, it has better coverage on tv and online then the CCL. So, this combined with the above described approach on USL positive articles leaves the feeling that the writers may think USL is better, even if never formally stated. Your work is vital to the continued growth of soccer in America. When MLS becomes a top 10 world rank league this website can say proudly we did our part. When every person that attends a MLS game in the future can see world class players, they should thank majorleaguesoccertalk.com. Kartik, I am happy to be loyal to the EPL/MLS Talk family of websites as I believe that they are the place for intelligent and insightful discussion of soccer on the net. Chris should be a proud man today since I believe his work with your help has in part lead to ESPN going big time on the EPL with it’s Saturday and Monday broadcasts. You have almost singlehandely increased the profile of Concacaf soccer in general and taken on the euro snobs who refused to acknowledge that good soccer and great players where to be found in Concacaf countries. Your recent coverage of the USMNT has been exhaustive and extremely information. This site has been doing great work to promote USL and that should continue.

Yes, no one has said that USL is better than MLS. One is left with the impression that the feelings of the various writers here who point out , what you have stated in your reply is that USL must be better. The articles have often been promoting, rightfully so, the better coaching in the USL, while pointing out a weakness in coaching in MLS, etc. The reader gains the impression after a good number of Good USL v. bad MLS posts, that MLS is an inferior league. It’s very subliminal indeed, but one gains that feeling.

I do not know if an editorial decision was made to run the CCL as the lead story today. The CCL looks to be an exciting competition and should be promoted here. It’s good for all of Concacaf. However, the headline story could of been today 69,000 people see Seattle host Barcelona. The 2nd story could be the biggest house of the year see the Fire in the Superliga final. Even if Superliga is a sham, it has better coverage on tv and online then the CCL. So, this combined with the above described approach on USL positive articles leaves the feeling that the writers may think USL is better, even if never formally stated.

Your work is vital to the continued growth of soccer in America. When MLS becomes a top 10 world rank league this website can say proudly we did our part. When every person that attends a MLS game in the future can see world class players, they should thank majorleaguesoccertalk.com.

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