Rodney Marsh: Interview With NASL Legend

by Chuck Zsolnai H.D. on February 27, 2010 · 11 comments

rodney marsh Rodney Marsh: Interview With NASL Legend

Thirty three years ago two play­ers who earned their soc­cer wages in Amer­ica went back to Eng­lish clubs on loan. Long before David Beck­ham and Lan­don Dono­van were rented to AC Milan and Ever­ton respec­tively, George Best and Rod­ney Marsh spent the off-season play­ing at Ful­ham Foot­ball club.

In a recent inter­view the Tampa Bay Row­dies leg­end recounts his trans-Atlantic occu­pa­tion. Rod­ney Marsh, who has returned to Florida to work for a pro­duc­tion com­pany, does not sugar-coat his jour­neys or his exploits. George Best, who passed away in 2005, and the 65 year old Marsh embod­ied the sex, drugs and rock-n-roll of England’s swing­ing 60’s and America’s heavy 70’s.

Rodney’s Amer­i­can odyssey begins with one of many sto­ried bust-ups with foot­ball man­age­ment — this time at Man­ches­ter City. Dis­agree­ments with gaffer Tony Book and owner Peter Swales led to his release to play for Cork Hibern­ian. While still col­lect­ing a salary from the Eng­lish club, he earned more play­ing 6 games for the Irish side — but in essence get­ting a pay­check from both teams. As one of the top Eng­lish soc­cer stars in 1975 Marsh was con­tacted by Elton John’s agent and flown out to Cal­i­for­nia by pri­vate jet. Rock leg­end John, then part owner of the Los Ange­les Aztecs, urged Marsh to sign for the NASL club.

While he was given the VIP treat­ment tak­ing in Elton John’s con­cert at Dodger Sta­dium he met the Camp­bell Soup heir George Straw­bridge, Jr., who per­suaded him to sign instead for his NASL Tampa Bay Rowdies.

In Feb­ru­ary 1976 the newly crowned cham­pi­ons of NASL wel­comed Marsh as the “Clown Prince of Soc­cer” and the “White Pele”. Not famil­iar with the polit­i­cal or demo­graph­ics of the Amer­i­can South, Marsh cor­rected the wait­ing media with ” no, he’s the black Rod­ney Marsh”.

Never one to apol­o­gize for his sharp retorts or fiery quips, he explains “that’s who I was”. Both he and George Best grew up in the poverty of post-war Britain. Rod­ney admits it was rea­son for only 9 inter­na­tional appear­ances. He sets the record straight on his ban­ish­ment from the Eng­land National Team by Sir Alf Ram­sey who was a cock­ney like Marsh.

I was not one of those guys that ran around the pitch, I could make a few runs, get the ball twice and score”.

Marsh reveals that the Eng­lish Foot­ball Asso­ci­a­tion sent Ram­sey for elo­cu­tion lessons after win­ning the 1966 World Cup to “cor­rect” his strong regional accent. On the occa­sion of a team talk Sir Alf chided Rod­ney for his work rate in a rather proper Eng­lish tone. “I’ll be watch­ing you, and if you do not work harder, I will pull you off at half-time”.

As both Ram­sey and Marsh grew up speak­ing cock­ney, this pre­tense led to Marsh reply­ing with “Christ, Alf, at Man­ches­ter City all we get is an orange and a cup o’ tea”. With snick­ers abound, Rod­ney was never to play for Eng­land again.

The Tampa Bay Row­dies of the late 1970’s played a very attrac­tive offense-minded brand of soc­cer. Loads of goals appealed to the Amer­i­can sports pub­lic and Tampa fans in par­tic­u­lar. With no other major sport in the Florida city, the “fan­nies” filled the sta­dium and made “a kick in the grass” their soc­cer motto.

At the close of the 1977 NASL sea­son, Ful­ham approached L.A.‘s George Best, Bobby Moore, then with San Anto­nio Thun­der and Marsh to join them on loan. Marsh had a two-year con­tract with the Row­dies at the time and had fully intended to spend the off-season in Florida. How­ever, he says he earned more money for the 6 month loan at Ful­ham than he did for the full sea­son at Tampa.

To this day, Rod­ney does not know the exact finan­cial details between the clubs, but his con­tract renewal increased con­sid­er­ably on his return to the Row­dies. While Rod­ney describes for­mer Eng­land Cap­tain Moore as “the sen­si­ble one”, his assess­ment of Best’s and Marsh’s days at Ful­ham as “just crazy”. Atten­dance for the Sec­ond Divi­sion side almost dou­bled at Craven Cot­tage where, inci­den­tally, Amer­i­can Clint Dempsey cur­rently plays.

But Marsh also says that he almost did not return to the Row­dies. Rodney’s clash with South African Coach Eddie Fir­mani over tac­tics had to be set­tled by owner George Straw­bridge — with Marsh com­ing back and Fir­mani leav­ing to take over the New York Cosmos.

While still in Eng­land, Rod­ney was often asked about the stan­dard of play in Amer­ica and of course the pay. The money seemed almost too good to be true and the exo­dus of British play­ers to the NASL is well doc­u­mented. How­ever, Marsh can be cred­ited for influ­enc­ing a few of those includ­ing Eng­land World Cup star Alan Ball. When asked about how the sub­ject came up, Rod­ney says it was after a night out with him and George Best. Ball signed for the Philadel­phia Fury soon afterwards.

Rod­ney played his last NASL game for the Row­dies in the 1979 Soc­cer Bowl. He left to coach in the A.S.L. although there were rumors of offers from Philadel­phia, Mon­treal and San Jose Earth­quakes. Although he knew the New York United were a minor league club, he describes it as 4 months of a neg­a­tive expe­ri­ence. But he says, he learned “what not to do” as a coach and fol­low­ing 4 years were “very happy” as he was hired away by the Car­olina Light­nin’. Rodney’s Light­nin’ won the 1981 Cham­pi­onship before a home crowd of over 20,000 defeat­ing, iron­i­cally, the New York club he left the pre­vi­ous season.

By 1983 gen­uine man­age­r­ial offers came. He was approached by his for­mer club Queens Park Rangers, yet he chose to return to Tampa Bay instead.

When asked about his advice to man­agers try­ing their hand in Amer­i­can soc­cer, Rod­ney chuck­les. “I wish they would ask me or con­tact my con­sult­ing firm”. “Ruud Gul­lit should have called me” was his com­ment about the Dutchman’s unsuc­cess­ful stint with the L.A. Galaxy.

Rod­ney draws a seri­ous tone as he shares his insight to soc­cer man­age­ment in the U.S. — “if I could advise one thing … the one word, it would be patience. Patience with the fans, patience with atten­dance and patience with the media”. It is in fact what he told Row­dies new head coach, Paul Dalglish, over din­ner recently. Dalglish’s father was the star player and later suc­cess­ful man­ager of Liverpool.

Cur­rently, Rod­ney Marsh is host­ing the TV show “The Road to South Africa” pro­duced by EMG Sports & Enter­tain­ment lead­ing up to and includ­ing the FIFA World Cup. It can be seen on Tampa’s NBC affil­i­ate station.

Chuck Zsol­nai is the His­tor­i­cal Direc­tor at the Inter­na­tional Soc­cer Archives. He has been cov­er­ing soc­cer since 1989.

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1 evan eleven February 27, 2010 at 10:15 pm

i think Dempsey plays for Fulham quite decently.

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2 fnord February 28, 2010 at 2:01 am

“Attendance for the Second Division side almost doubled at Craven Cottage where, indecently, American Clint Dempsey currently plays.”

Surely this is a typo or something…maybe “incidentally” was meant instead of “indecently”? Surely no one things Dempsey is playing “indecently”???

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3 The Gaffer February 28, 2010 at 7:23 am

Fnord, good catch. It’s now fixed.

Cheers,
The Gaffer

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4 This One Guy In Detroit February 28, 2010 at 11:06 am

I was at that Carolina Lightnin’ championship game in ’81. It’s impossible to overstate how much Marsh and the team (including local hero Tony Suarez) captured the imagination of Charlotte during those years of ’81 and ’82. This was the era before the Hornets and Panthers came along to put Charlotte in the real big leagues, and the city embraced the Lightnin’ as if they were our own Cosmos.

It’s all very personal for me, because Marsh turned me (and my buddies) into soccer fans for life. For me, there’s a direct line that runs from the summer of ’81 to being here on a soccer blog in ’10 leaving a comment. Thanks, Rodney.

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5 Charles February 28, 2010 at 11:12 am

Perfect post.

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6 Charles February 28, 2010 at 11:10 am

20,000 people for a Championship of a MINOR league soccer game. We have come a long way. I was at the Sounder’s championship games for A-League/USL games…even those crowds were no where near that. MLS ( regular season ) teams are jealous of that.
I just don’t get soccer fans. There has to be enough in the US ( see Seattle ) to be filling very large stadiums, but they don’t…Instead we see high school gridiron stadiums called Soccer Specific Stadiums unfillled while British soccer is more popular than ever.
You have to wonder where we would be now if the “please Landon go” crowd would support soccer in this country…and if it will ever happen.

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7 CoconutMonkey February 28, 2010 at 8:32 pm

Just like Marsh said, “patience”. Patience, my friend.

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8 Charles February 28, 2010 at 9:15 pm

Thanks…us older guys are a little more impatient.

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9 usa2010 March 2, 2010 at 8:31 am

Very true. With age comes perspective. I became a soccer fan thanks to Marsh and the Rowdies, as a kid in Tampa in the 1970′s. Back then I thought soccer would be the #1 or #2 sport in the USA by now.

I try to remind myself of that when I hear kids today talk as though all we had to do was (fill in the blank) and suddenly soccer would shoot up in popularity and become one of the big sports in this country. Slow and steady wins the race, guys: there are no “magic bullets”.

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10 james March 3, 2010 at 9:00 am

Much like usa 2010, I too grew up in the Bay area in the 1970′s. The Rowdies and Rodney were my heroes. I began playing and fell in love with the game, and have been a fan ever since.

Thank you for the update and insight on Rodney. Perhaps, Garber and the USSF should heed his sage advice.

Thank you Rodney for making my childhood a “kick in the grass”!

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11 Rebecca Jill March 3, 2010 at 9:44 am

I’m also a Tampa native, though I live in North Carolina now, and my love for soccer came out of going to Tampa Bay Rowdies games and seeing Marsh play. Thanks for this piece on Rodney Marsh. We love our “kick in the grass” soccer in Tampa.

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