Comments on: MLS – SuperLiga, In SUM We Trust http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361 Daily Analysis of Major League Soccer Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:20:17 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Peter C http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-15039 Peter C Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:31:34 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-15039 Three Lions, SuperLiga is about money. As the post says, MLS is a young league with only 4-6 teams expected to be profitable in '09. As long as SuperLIga generates revenues for SUM, it will continue. But I also would like, at the minimum, to see it scheduled when both leagues are in season. Three Lions,

SuperLiga is about money. As the post says, MLS is a young league with only 4-6 teams expected to be profitable in ‘09. As long as SuperLIga generates revenues for SUM, it will continue. But I also would like, at the minimum, to see it scheduled when both leagues are in season.

]]> By: The Three Lions http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-15003 The Three Lions Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:40:52 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-15003 SUPERLIGA = JOKE THAT MAKES THE REST OF THE WORLD LAUGH AT THE USA. Now that Concacaf has a CL why must this tournament exist? I'm new to the USA just having come over three years back but this event never made any sense to me especially given it is the Mexican off season. The Champions League was good. Also helped me discover lower league football called USL which no offense to this site I prefer to MLS. More like home if you know what I mean. Actual tactics. SUPERLIGA = JOKE THAT MAKES THE REST OF THE WORLD LAUGH AT THE USA.

Now that Concacaf has a CL why must this tournament exist? I’m new to the USA just having come over three years back but this event never made any sense to me especially given it is the Mexican off season.

The Champions League was good. Also helped me discover lower league football called USL which no offense to this site I prefer to MLS. More like home if you know what I mean. Actual tactics.

]]> By: Les http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14990 Les Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:11:31 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14990 Superliga being played during the Confed Cup is unacceptable. How could Gulati allow this? This is flat out embarrassing. What other country would allow this? Superliga being played during the Confed Cup is unacceptable. How could Gulati allow this? This is flat out embarrassing. What other country would allow this?

]]> By: mindthegap http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14981 mindthegap Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:14:55 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14981 SUM is basically the marketing branch of the MLS (its CEO is Garber) plus some other US marketing rights. If you don’t have a problem with the fact that the MLS has to make money, you don’t have a problem with SUM. Also, Garber, the creator of Superliga, could get rid of it tomorrow if he wanted. SUM is basically the marketing branch of the MLS (its CEO is Garber) plus some other US marketing rights. If you don’t have a problem with the fact that the MLS has to make money, you don’t have a problem with SUM. Also, Garber, the creator of Superliga, could get rid of it tomorrow if he wanted.

]]> By: Lars http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14978 Lars Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:54:11 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14978 The answer to your question: Does a team have to make money to turn a profit? is a categorical NO. The Teams are tax loop holes which allow wealthy owners to avoid paying ridiculous amounts of money to the IRS. If the team loses too much though, then it is not profitable. On top of that, it depends on how you account for your money you take in. A team may state it's not profitable (good for tax purposes) but be pulling in a profit. There is a saying from a former Toronto Blue Jays President, he once boasted he could "take a 2 million dollar profit and turn it into a 5 million dollar loss" using proper accounting techniques. The answer to your question:

Does a team have to make money to turn a profit? is a categorical NO.

The Teams are tax loop holes which allow wealthy owners to avoid paying ridiculous amounts of money to the IRS. If the team loses too much though, then it is not profitable.

On top of that, it depends on how you account for your money you take in. A team may state it’s not profitable (good for tax purposes) but be pulling in a profit.

There is a saying from a former Toronto Blue Jays President, he once boasted he could “take a 2 million dollar profit and turn it into a 5 million dollar loss” using proper accounting techniques.

]]> By: Peter C http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14972 Peter C Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:47:35 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14972 timmyg: yes, that's exactly what I am saying. When you purchase an MLS franchise, you also purchase a stake in SUM. Future posts will give a bit of background on SUM. If you can't wait for that, then start by visiting http://www.sumworld.com and look at various ways it pulls in money. timmyg:

yes, that’s exactly what I am saying. When you purchase an MLS franchise, you also purchase a stake in SUM.

Future posts will give a bit of background on SUM. If you can’t wait for that, then start by visiting http://www.sumworld.com and look at various ways it pulls in money.

]]> By: vic http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14970 vic Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:16:34 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14970 Wow, SUM keeps MLS afloat. I guess thats pretty bad from the strictly MLS side of things. Makes you wonder though, why aren't the "hurting teams" more involved with SUM- such as Crew hosting West Ham or Aston Villa in Cleveland, or scenarios like that? If true, perhaps SUM should have greater control of MLS. This issue of the necessity of control of MLS in international tournys is one of the reasons why "serious input" by MLS in such tournament would depend on how much control they have. In CCL, they have little. Perhaps Pan Pacific could be successful if you simply invite 4 teams from MLS, FMF, and Jleague, and get rid of Superliga. The more international flavor of this may appeal to FMF to send their best. Wow, SUM keeps MLS afloat. I guess thats pretty bad from the strictly MLS side of things. Makes you wonder though, why aren’t the “hurting teams” more involved with SUM- such as Crew hosting West Ham or Aston Villa in Cleveland, or scenarios like that? If true, perhaps SUM should have greater control of MLS. This issue of the necessity of control of MLS in international tournys is one of the reasons why “serious input” by MLS in such tournament would depend on how much control they have. In CCL, they have little. Perhaps Pan Pacific could be successful if you simply invite 4 teams from MLS, FMF, and Jleague, and get rid of Superliga. The more international flavor of this may appeal to FMF to send their best.

]]> By: mindthegap http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14969 mindthegap Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:15:10 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14969 True, and no other country in the world cares at all about friendlies. The long and short of it is this: the USMNT would do well to attract people with strong Mexican ties. And how are they going about it? By playing up a US/Mexico rivalry. That rivalry is a zero-sum game: Mexico wins by it, the US loses. True, and no other country in the world cares at all about friendlies. The long and short of it is this: the USMNT would do well to attract people with strong Mexican ties. And how are they going about it? By playing up a US/Mexico rivalry. That rivalry is a zero-sum game: Mexico wins by it, the US loses.

]]> By: Kartik Krishnaiyer http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14967 Kartik Krishnaiyer Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:00:02 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14967 Of course any Mexican player is welcome in MLS although in the past most like Luis Hernandez have bombed. But it's an inherent conflict of interest when OUR DOMESTIC LEAGUE PROMOTES ANOTHER NATIONAL TEAM ON OUR SOIL. That situation doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. SUM are the match promoters who allow Mexico to host more games of a friendly nature on US soil than the US team itself. That's my issue. Of course any Mexican player is welcome in MLS although in the past most like Luis Hernandez have bombed.

But it’s an inherent conflict of interest when OUR DOMESTIC LEAGUE PROMOTES ANOTHER NATIONAL TEAM ON OUR SOIL. That situation doesn’t exist anywhere else in the world. SUM are the match promoters who allow Mexico to host more games of a friendly nature on US soil than the US team itself. That’s my issue.

]]> By: mindthegap http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/mls-superliga-in-sum-we-trust/4361#comment-14965 mindthegap Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:49:30 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=4361#comment-14965 Krishnaiyer, Using your logic (Superliga = evil promotion of Mexico), are the Chicago Fire a conflict of interest? I'd bet most fans of Blanco aren't cheering on the Yanks. Should we set up a rule in which Mexican players can't play in the MLS? Ridiculous. Krishnaiyer,
Using your logic (Superliga = evil promotion of Mexico), are the Chicago Fire a conflict of interest? I’d bet most fans of Blanco aren’t cheering on the Yanks. Should we set up a rule in which Mexican players can’t play in the MLS? Ridiculous.

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