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  1. Tom
    Tom
    March 1, 2010 at 6:38 pm | | Reply


    The labor situation is worrying, I hope they work it out. Could the leage sign Donovan, and then use the money to buy back 2 or 3 players of interest from other clubs? Such as Adu, or other Americans or CONCACAF players that are getting playing time in Europe? It is a real problem that Donovan is ready to go, but he means so much to the league.

  2. Jammer
    Jammer
    March 1, 2010 at 7:47 pm | | Reply


    “would the Union acquiesce and allow a sale?”
    Explain why the union has a veto?

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      March 1, 2010 at 8:26 pm | | Reply


      My understanding: Without a collective bargaining agreement in place, MLS would have no sanction to unilaterally sell anybody. There is no agreement in place by which they can do that. They can no more sell Donovan than they can order him to show up for a match – there is no labor agreement in place by which to do so.

      Currently, the sides are abiding by the previous agreement. If there’s a work stoppage, that ends.

      Veto wouldn’t be the right word. MLS would just need an agreement with the player/union before they could sell.

      1. Charles
        Charles
        March 2, 2010 at 9:31 am | | Reply


        You sure about that ? He IS under contract, right ?

        1. Richard Farley
          Richard Farley
          March 2, 2010 at 12:15 pm | | Reply


          So first, a player can’t be solved without his acquiesce. It is not like a trade in MLS, NFL, NHL, NBA, etc. So yes, I’m reasonably sure.

          Second, Donovan’s contract is subject to the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. Just as we saw an NHL CBA effect an across-the-board rate cut to the pre-existing contracts, the MLS CBA could bring new deals under the subject of new terms. Regardless, without a CBA to govern the terms of whether a player can be transferred, then the “IS” of him being under contract …

          Well, it doesn’t make him property.

  3. Elliott
    March 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm | | Reply


    If the players are cunning and malevolent, then they will wait until the season starts, Ownership sells season tickets, and strike post-World Cup. I hope not, but it’s the only option aside from operating under the old CBA for a season

  4. Gazza
    Gazza
    March 1, 2010 at 10:00 pm | | Reply


    If the players strike post World Cup plan on not having soccer until mid 2011. The owners are just going to wait them out. They are not caving on Free Agency ….. to them it would be worse that folding the league. They will raise the cap to $5m per team before giving up their Single Entity.

  5. David
    David
    March 1, 2010 at 10:48 pm | | Reply


    And fans wonder why young Americans are skipping MLS and heading to the entry level Scandinavian leagues and whatnot. I would advise any young American with talent and aspirations to avoid the MLS plantation and pursue a career within the established, international system of player contracts and transfers.

  6. usa2010
    usa2010
    March 2, 2010 at 7:59 am | | Reply


    What is wrong with players skipping MLS? If they are any good, they are going to wind up in Europe eventually, anyway.

    Which begs the question: how can you strike over the fact that you are being held to the contract that you willingly signed, knowing what it meant, and when you had options to go elsewhere?

    It’s like buying a house near an airport and then campaigning to shut down the airport because it is too noisy:

    http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=7653

    Single entity isn’t going away and true free agency isn’t coming in any form that might threaten single entity. The salary cap will rise, some of the current rules about transfers and contracts will be changed in the player’s favor, but the kinds of radical changes that the Union wants will not happen. If the Union destroys MLS insisting on these changes, they deserve a swift kick in the @ss and no true fan should support such lunacy.

    MLS players should take the extra money and run. They will be getting much higher, and regular wage increases at a time when most of the rest of us haven’t seen a wage rise in years.

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      March 2, 2010 at 9:43 am | | Reply


      how can you strike over the fact that you are being held to the contract that you willingly signed

      This is a bit of a oversimplification and misleading, isn’t it? Not to pick on this one statement, but part of the reason that dialog amongst the fans is poor-to-nonexistent – they you either are very pro-owner or very pro-player – is because of statements like this. Again, I don’t want to pick on this statement (I doubt usa2010 meant for it to be subject to this scrutiny), but

      a.) that’s not what the players are striking over, and
      b.) as the Donovan situation illustrates, there’s more that goes into signing a contract that “did you sign it? Live with it.”

      1. Charles
        Charles
        March 2, 2010 at 9:53 am | | Reply


        Maybe because I slightly side with the owners, but I don’t think the pro-owners side is VERY pro-owner….but the pro-player side IS VERY pro-player.

        It is more of a realistic viewpoint from the pro-owners:

        One, the league is here because a handful of rich guys.
        Two, they have invested a lot of money in a very risky investment.
        This investment has failed before and read the comments on any soccer site, most prefer the competition ( European soccer )
        Three, for the amount of support they have recieved…very pathetic really…they are doing pretty well.

        I am sure there ARE some pro-union and anti-union types in there skewing things to seem extreme.

        1. Richard Farley
          Richard Farley
          March 2, 2010 at 10:55 am | | Reply


          It’s a good viewpoint, Charles, and bet other questions:

          * What does an extreme pro-owner position look like?

          * What does an extreme pro-player position look like?

      2. David
        David
        March 2, 2010 at 2:33 pm | | Reply


        The answer is, you can’t. However, the CBA is expiring. Under U.S. labor law, a strike or lockout would be legal as a consequence of failing to agree to terms on a new CBA.

    2. David
      David
      March 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm | | Reply


      “if they are any good, they will end up Europe anyways”? Maybe you should ask Taylor Tweillman. Or Sacha Kljeistan. Had European offers, with big guaranteed contracts, wanted to go, but were kept on the MLS plantation.

      Yes, that’s what the contracts say. Yes, it’s legal for MLS to do it. We get that. You guys are arguing with yourselves on those points.

      The point is that young talented American players will continue to forgo MLS if they can due to MLS’s BS structure. This results in lower level of play in MLS and lack of development for American players who do not exhibit enough talent at at young enough age to start their careers overseas.

  7. Charles
    Charles
    March 2, 2010 at 9:47 am | | Reply


    I like how all the pro-player arguements seem to center if players had more rights the league would be so much better.

    You still have one problem. Money…it isn’t there. People don’t go to games. People still would rather watch Landon play in England, than go to a MLS game.

    1. Richard Farley
      Richard Farley
      March 2, 2010 at 10:56 am | | Reply


      Good points, Charles, but I will say that trying to figure out how much money is and is not there is always difficult, the way professional sports are set-up.

      1. Charles
        Charles
        March 2, 2010 at 11:12 am | | Reply


        Yeah, like my Mariners. “Losing” $1 million a year for 10 years in the 1980s, then selling for 10 times the value after the 10 years.

        Come to think of it, I should be pro-player after watching all that bad baseball. ;-)

        1. Richard Farley
          Richard Farley
          March 2, 2010 at 11:38 am | | Reply


          It’s hard not to be pro-player watching Phil Bradley and Alvin Davis. But them again, I’ve always liked those two in particular.

          But this bring up another point that should be expanded upon: Lots of sports teams lose money. This is true. But you can not take the annual operating loses into consideration without looking at the increase in franchise values, as many of the short-term costs that are reflected in the balance sheets are incurred with the hopes that the expenditures will be recouped when/if a franchise is sold.

          1. David
            David
            March 2, 2010 at 2:40 pm |


            Richard: Lots of sports teams lose money ON PAPER, just like all those Hollywood mega hits which don’t seem to turn a profit ever. The reality is that these guys are making money, which is why the franchise fees and valuations keep increasing.

            Contrary to popular belief, Rich Guy is not plunking down $30 million (or whatever the figure is now) in cash for an MLS franchise; they are providing some equity out of pocket and financing the rest of the purchase through debt. The lenders will require ample evidence of the other franchises’ historical cash flow, etc. to ensure that the team will make enough to service the debt.

            Besides, we know that the Owners are make tons of money through SUM, right? They just keep it outside the MLS entity so they can pretend they’re not making money and thus can’t pay the players etc.

  8. Dominic Barlow
    Dominic Barlow
    March 7, 2010 at 5:10 pm | | Reply


    An Everton fan here, first of all I have to thank the MLS and The Galaxy for letting Landon come to Everton, his quality and class is something Everton needed and if no deal is done he will be missed by everyone at the club.

    As for the contract issue in the MLS at the moment, if no deal can be reached, what obligations does Donovan have to keep to the MLS if he wanted to move to Everton perminantly? Would they take his wishes into account? Or would they force him to his obligations? Both parties are interested in a move to keep him at Goodison, but would the MLS allow this is Donovan wanted it?

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