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  1. bq
    bq
    April 6, 2009 at 11:02 pm | | Reply


    Well said Brian!

  2. AVR
    AVR
    April 6, 2009 at 11:38 pm | | Reply


    If USL or MLS aim to be taken seriously they need to move to the world calender for football. It’s going to be obvious tomorrow when USL’s golden boys go down in Mexico that a team in their pre season cannot be taken seriously when facing a team in the middle of their season.

  3. dude
    dude
    April 6, 2009 at 11:41 pm | | Reply


    Good perspective.. And always remember, I am the Lower case dude!!!

  4. Eric
    Eric
    April 7, 2009 at 1:56 am | | Reply


    Great Article. Well said, I also had no idea about that princeton v. rutgers thing.

  5. LI Matt
    LI Matt
    April 7, 2009 at 5:42 am | | Reply


    I have very little patience for people who whine that MLS does things differently from “the rest of the world” (by which they usually mean “England”). “WAAH WAAH WAAH winter schedule … WAAH WAAH WAAH single table … WAAH WAAH WAAH relegation” I’m tired of it.

    It’s going to be obvious … that a team in their pre season cannot be taken seriously when facing a team in the middle of their season.

    Go tell it to Sampdoria, Aston Villa, Valencia, Stuttgart, and Tottenham — all of whom were knocked out of the UEFA Cup in February by teams that were either in pre-season or on their winter break.

  6. Lars
    Lars
    April 7, 2009 at 6:42 am | | Reply


    AVR,

    The Montreal Impact, in the middle of their pre-season, defeated Santos Laguna (in the middle of their season) at home 2-0. Granted they lost on the road on the return leg 5-2, but they played exciting futbol, and played hard, despite being in pre-season. Had it not been for a melt down in the last half of the second leg, they would have advanced to the CONCACAF Semis along with the Islanders, who I may remind you, are also a US based team with a summer schedule. The Islanders had no problems advancing to face Cruz Azul (who I sincerely hope they beat tonight). I wouldn’t be surprised if the Islanders found themselves in the Club World Cup this year. Of course, then we’d hear about how its silly we call the game soccer and not futbol, because everybody loves to dump on North American futbol.

  7. eplnfl
    eplnfl
    April 7, 2009 at 7:24 am | | Reply


    Good job. Lets have some USA Soccer pride. We won’t be kicked around any longer. No pun intended.

  8. Earl
    Earl
    April 7, 2009 at 8:47 am | | Reply


    Do you know that USL has a single table, as well as a financial form of promotion/relegation? Sure it’s not perfect but it’s a better model than MLS.

  9. Cavan
    Cavan
    April 7, 2009 at 11:05 am | | Reply


    Better model? How? MLS has its model as a means of survival. It would have already gone out of business if it had a more traditional franchise model. Single Entity was done on purpose for stability rather than boom and bust. I’d say it’s worked so far.

  10. Quakeland
    Quakeland
    April 7, 2009 at 11:29 am | | Reply


    I think he meant a better model from a world soccer perspective. Franchises, single table, a form of relegation/promotion (ie Cleveland moves up do to finances, Richmond moves down).

    I have a problem with MLS for moving the Quakes. Anschutz was never interested in the Bay Area. Garber and AEG conspired to gut the team and then move the team.

    But the Quakes are back and Houston deserved a team, so it’s all worked out.

    I support both leagues equally and we need both to survive.

  11. Berlin
    Berlin
    April 7, 2009 at 12:41 pm | | Reply


    Like it or not, MLS IS the face of American soccer. Without it, soccer will forever remain a game for the rest of the world. You can’t become a true fan until you have a home team to root for.

  12. Cavan
    Cavan
    April 7, 2009 at 3:12 pm | | Reply


    Who cares about the world soccer perspective? I’ll care about their perspective when they do something other than bash our league. If they were paying money to enhance the league and keep it afloat in their “largest potential market” rather than running grab-ass exhibitions in the summer and pay-per-views during their season, it might be ok to care about what they think. As it stands, they just want to take soccer fan dollars that should go to our league and then turn around and talk about how much it sucks.

    They really don’t want the game to continue to grow and succeed in our country. That was great happy-talk when our national team was a laughing stock. Now that our national team is starting to look threatening more and more often, those foreign commentators and media and fans want to do anything they can to belittle and bring about our league’s demise.

    It’s inherently self-loathing to do anything to conform to a foreign model of our league other than adhering to the Laws of the Game. Those foreign commentators only care about selling ad time on their own networks. MLS could go out of business and the USSF could disband for all they care.

  13. Jonathan
    Jonathan
    April 7, 2009 at 8:21 pm | | Reply


    You have to sport your local home team whether MLS or USL or WPS to support American Soccer. Patriotic Americans not only support the U.S.A. team but the U.S.A. leagues. We need to support university soccer, high school and junior high soccer and our local youth soccer clubs. Soccer has been played in the country since before the American revolution. Despite those to who try to argue to the contrary – Association Football is an American sport. It’s also the World’s largest game and patriotic Americans will suppor their countries team(s).

  14. Jonathan
    Jonathan
    April 7, 2009 at 9:44 pm | | Reply


  15. Daniel Feuerstein
    Daniel Feuerstein
    April 8, 2009 at 1:05 am | | Reply


    Bryan, great article. Let me say I’ve heard others that have said, the MLS should shut down as well so all the good Americans should automatically move to Europe. If that’s the case the good Americans won’t be going to Europe, because they need those league to show those clubs in Europe what we got, if they want to move there.

    Right now we are in survival mode still. But let me ask this question to everyone. If MLS does fall, will the USL pick up the slack? If Marcos decides no, then guess what. That model for the USL doesn’t mean didly squat. Also how many clubs in the USL pro leagues have their own stadiums? Charleston, Rochester, Portland & Minnesota.

    No matter how much you guys are happy with what the USL has set up for their pro sides, Stadiums are a must now for everyone. Stop paying rent.

  16. And again, you lot continue to say "grow the game", "so the game will grow", "grow grow grow"
    And again, you lot continue to say "grow the game", "so the game will grow", "grow grow grow"
    April 8, 2009 at 2:22 am | | Reply


    Don’t you lot get sick and tired of saying “so the game can grow” over and over and over again?! Ugh. Give up already.

    For those who want your league to conform to the world calendar: The paltry crowds in Salt Lake and Chicago for their HOME OPENERS should end the argument once and for all.

    Regarding the name of football: Just defend it, Gridiron doesn’t deserve the name. Football was here first and it’s a logical name for the sport, NOT for Gridiron. It is not patriotic to call football by an outdated Cockney expression. It is weak, because by doing so, that means you yield to the Gridiron supporters.

    The Islanders tonight had a man and 2 goal advantage to seal the deal against Blue Cross. And they failed. Pitiful.

    I don’t see why you lot say your domestic league enhances your national team when very few of that team play in your domestic league. So they can get noticed? They can also get noticed in any other foreign minor league as well.

    Your league will exist forever, unfortunately. I personally, promote the European game to all my American friends with rousing success. It’s not enough to finally destroy your league, but at least it’s something. I will continue to try to hook people on European football, which in turn, will make American football more and more irrelevant.

    I think today’s comparison of the United-Porto game vs the Islanders’ performance does not bode well for you lot. Haha.

  17. Aaron
    Aaron
    April 8, 2009 at 6:50 am | | Reply


    From Cavan: “They really don’t want the game to continue to grow and succeed in our country.” Well said, Cavan. It’s the elephant in the room that no one talks about, and it’s path also includes a stop at the highest levels of US Soccer, who does the “dirty work” for UEFA, and more specifically the FA. There’s all kinds of talent in the States that US Soccer throws under the rug for the benefit of the queen, as well as MLB, NFL.

  18. Cavan
    Cavan
    April 8, 2009 at 9:02 am | | Reply


    By “they” I meant the foreign press and FA’s. Our USSF most certainly works hard to grow the game in our country. They can improve but they definitely work on it.

  19. MLS: Love it or Leave America
    MLS: Love it or Leave America
    April 8, 2009 at 1:48 pm | | Reply


    GREAT PIECE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I agree 100%. We should even feel stronger today after Puerto Rico was cheated out of an away goal and we have a stinking all mexican final again in CONCACAF.

  20. lovesmyirish
    lovesmyirish
    April 8, 2009 at 3:20 pm | | Reply


    great read

    glad someone else shares the same opinions as i do. especially the part about MLS is the soccer league were going to get so live with it and help support it.

  21. Here's a new drinking game...
    Here's a new drinking game...
    April 9, 2009 at 5:10 pm | | Reply


    Take a shot whenever someone on this site says “grow the game”. You’ll be drunk in no time.

  22. Anti-US football
    Anti-US football
    April 9, 2009 at 7:10 pm | | Reply


    *gulp*

    Ok, Irish, no more negative comments from me (although it’s so fun sometimes).

    Cheers

  23. Sergio
    Sergio
    April 21, 2009 at 9:10 pm | | Reply


    I’m a European who is living here in the colonies.I support Tthe MLS but the fact is the the game is much more interesting in Europe. Its no ones fault its just the facts. The game will continue to grow and it will conform more to the international model but will have room for Americanisms to a certain degree. I have many American friends who I turned on to the FA and now follow it regularly. There is room for both to grow here.Having said that I cant stomach the conference thing. It makes no sense at all. Single table is way more exciting and easier to follow. There will eventually be relegation and promotion maybe 50 years from now because it makes the game much more interesting

  24. Mike
    Mike
    May 7, 2009 at 6:41 pm | | Reply


    Huh, no league until 1996? Uh, ever heard of the North America Soccer League (NASL)?

    Pele, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, Johan Cruyff, Kyle Rote Jr, Roy Wegerle, Thomas Rongen, Giorgio Chinaglia, Guus Hiddink, Gerd Müller, Ray Hudson, Gordon Banks, Gordon Bradley, Johan Neeskens, Fernando Clavijo, and many other professional soccer players would absolutely and vehemently disagree with you.

    Also, The MLS? Do you really want to say “The Major League Soccer?”

  25. Brian Zygo
    May 7, 2009 at 7:46 pm | | Reply


    Mike:

    At its height, the NASL, born out of strife, was an American league in name only. At its height, it was awash in European talent and only a small handful of actual Americans got serious playing time. Look at the names you listed above, NASL was not a league that catered to the talent in the country it called home. NASL did little to develop talent and might have done more to hurt the USMNT thanks to the fiasco that was Team America in the 1983 season.

    MLS = Major League Soccer

    Brian

  26. Mike
    Mike
    May 7, 2009 at 8:15 pm | | Reply


    Who cares? It was a professional soccer league in the USA that did quite well.

    Your assertion that “the problem that existed between 1820 and 1996, was that there was no truly unified and national professional soccer league in this country” is patently and absurdly false.

  27. Brian Zygo
    May 7, 2009 at 8:42 pm | | Reply


    Mike:

    I’m sorry you missed the point of the article, which is about developing American talent. I respect your opinion as to the NASL, but disagree since I feel it was always in shambles (some teams enjoyed steady monetary success, while others were fly-by-night), always in flux, unsure whether it should be an indoor or outdoor league at times, and did nothing substantive when it came to developing American talent. As I noted in the article, the NASL did give the beautiful game a great amount of exposure, but the US did not qualify for a World Cup during its existence and did not do so until 4 years after the NASL folded. Don’t get me wrong, I feel the MLS has lots of improvement left to do when it comes to working with the national team, but it is light years beyond the NASL in this area.

    Brian

  28. Mike
    Mike
    May 7, 2009 at 10:10 pm | | Reply


    It’s not “the MLS.”

    It’s hard to take you seriously when you keep writing it that way.

    MLS. No definite article.

    And I still think you’re wrong. MLS has helped with American talent, but it’s nowhere near as critical to the US team as Serie A is to Italy, Bundesliga is to Germany, La Liga is to Spain, Ligue 1 is to France, Primera Division is to Mexico, EPL is to England, etc.

    Don’t get me wrong – I love Major League Soccer, and have been buying tickets since the league started. But it is what it is, which is more or less mediocre, at least in terms of international level talent.

    Brian McBride would not have become world class if he hadn’t gone to England.

  29. Brian Zygo
    May 7, 2009 at 11:01 pm | | Reply


    its good to see that you are starting to get my point in that the mls has helped with american talent but it isnt all that it can be and thats the problem since i want it to be as critical as those other leagues except for the epl which is not an english league but like the nasl is a league controlled by foreign talent

    thanks for taking the time to read and comment and i hope you take the time to listen to this coming weeks podcast which will be the only place you can find audio from both the dynamo and fcdallas locker rooms at estadio robertson in houston

  30. MLS rocks
    MLS rocks
    June 17, 2009 at 1:06 pm | | Reply


    I actually enjoy the mls watching it reading about it the way it is now. Dont get me wrong I hope the team sallery cap hits 10mill and still allows 2 designated players in the next few years. However I have to say it is still entertaining to watch. I find that in the spanish and english leauges its just a few tallented teams with money and the rest is boaring there is no level playing feild. I also enjoy watching “dutch” soccer!

  31. MLS in Canada
    MLS in Canada
    June 17, 2009 at 1:10 pm | | Reply


    I think the mls should also let montreal and ottawa have there mls teams to grow the game in Canada. This will be benifitial to the USA as well since those teams will make tons of money similar to the NHL and will help carry the american players looking for a job

  32. Ted Westervelt
    July 17, 2009 at 2:39 pm | | Reply


    At least ten attempts at a closed franchise model national soccer league, at least nine failures, and MLS employing such a monolithic, top down model that it feels like Oldsmobile v. Buick on the field.

    We need promotion and relegation now – don’t wait for the NFL refugees at MLS to decide.

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