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		<title>By: guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MLS pays its players about 25% of the revenue it collects.  Compare that to about a 55-60% average for other American sports leagues and even higher for Europe&#039;s premier football leagues.  Pay the players what they deserve and they will help to bolster the overall level of play, and national team experience in our domestic league.  This will make for better results in CONCACAF competition and improve the MLS&#039; image on the world stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MLS pays its players about 25% of the revenue it collects.  Compare that to about a 55-60% average for other American sports leagues and even higher for Europe&#8217;s premier football leagues.  Pay the players what they deserve and they will help to bolster the overall level of play, and national team experience in our domestic league.  This will make for better results in CONCACAF competition and improve the MLS&#8217; image on the world stage.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how come its never brought up as an option that the reason mls doesn&#039;t get many good players is because of all the stupid rules mls has.  If I&#039;m a free agent from Europe and I decide I want to sign with the MLS in Dallas I should be able to.  However with the way stupid rules go I have to offer my services to the teams in a patricular order.  If somebody wants me before I get to my desired team thats who I&#039;m stuck with if I want to go to the MLS unless I can get my team to trade with my desired team.  Look at McBride, he wanted to go to Chicago but had to go elsewhere because they had first shot at him.  In the end Chicago had to trade big for him when he should have been able to just go there and sign in the first place.  Can you imagine in Europe ronaldo hits the end of his contract and decides to go elsewhere.  He wants to go to Real Madrid but can&#039;t because several other teams get the opportunity to sign him first.  What a croc.  Plus the whole salary bit and the recent bit where they wouldn let the USL player be signed because the leauge felt the team was offering too much for a player from a lesser league.  Seriously MLS has to stop acting so stupid if they ever hope to have a better reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how come its never brought up as an option that the reason mls doesn&#39;t get many good players is because of all the stupid rules mls has.  If I&#39;m a free agent from Europe and I decide I want to sign with the MLS in Dallas I should be able to.  However with the way stupid rules go I have to offer my services to the teams in a patricular order.  If somebody wants me before I get to my desired team thats who I&#39;m stuck with if I want to go to the MLS unless I can get my team to trade with my desired team.  Look at McBride, he wanted to go to Chicago but had to go elsewhere because they had first shot at him.  In the end Chicago had to trade big for him when he should have been able to just go there and sign in the first place.  Can you imagine in Europe ronaldo hits the end of his contract and decides to go elsewhere.  He wants to go to Real Madrid but can&#39;t because several other teams get the opportunity to sign him first.  What a croc.  Plus the whole salary bit and the recent bit where they wouldn let the USL player be signed because the leauge felt the team was offering too much for a player from a lesser league.  Seriously MLS has to stop acting so stupid if they ever hope to have a better reputation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a comment from Germany.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I may not know a lot about US football, but I do know that in order to keep talent in the league, the salary wages need to change big time. I have seen the the Galaxy wages list the other day and just could not not stop laughing. Paying Donovan $ 900.000 is as rediculous as paying the average young player $ 100.00 or even less. No wonder talented kids go to Europe where they can earn a 10 TIMES!!!!! higher salary, or 5 TIMES higher wages, even if they are drafted to a club playing in the second Devision. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The wages that are paid in Argentina or Brazil are actually pretty good. Neves i.e. who decided to go with HSV this summer was even offered a higher wage in Brazil than in Germany. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As long as Beckhams earns 5.5 million a year while young players get close to nothing, problems  regarding &quot;talent drain&quot; are gonna stay the same.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;P.S. Please stop calling football &quot;soccer&quot;. You guys are making a fool out of yourself :-). If you get confused with American football, just go with &quot;futbol&quot; instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s a comment from Germany.</p>
<p>I may not know a lot about US football, but I do know that in order to keep talent in the league, the salary wages need to change big time. I have seen the the Galaxy wages list the other day and just could not not stop laughing. Paying Donovan $ 900.000 is as rediculous as paying the average young player $ 100.00 or even less. No wonder talented kids go to Europe where they can earn a 10 TIMES!!!!! higher salary, or 5 TIMES higher wages, even if they are drafted to a club playing in the second Devision. </p>
<p>The wages that are paid in Argentina or Brazil are actually pretty good. Neves i.e. who decided to go with HSV this summer was even offered a higher wage in Brazil than in Germany. </p>
<p>As long as Beckhams earns 5.5 million a year while young players get close to nothing, problems  regarding &#8220;talent drain&#8221; are gonna stay the same.  </p>
<p>P.S. Please stop calling football &#8220;soccer&#8221;. You guys are making a fool out of yourself <img src='http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . If you get confused with American football, just go with &#8220;futbol&#8221; instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landycakes is a coward, to afraid to pull the trigger in international play for fear of looking bad and who has scored a disproportionate number of his internal goals on penalty kicks and/or against the weakest of the competition faced by the men&#039;s national team.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He completely and utterly disappears against top competition (hence his previous failure in European club play). If he&#039;s the best American player, I weep for American soccer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landycakes is a coward, to afraid to pull the trigger in international play for fear of looking bad and who has scored a disproportionate number of his internal goals on penalty kicks and/or against the weakest of the competition faced by the men&#39;s national team.</p>
<p>He completely and utterly disappears against top competition (hence his previous failure in European club play). If he&#39;s the best American player, I weep for American soccer.</p>
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		<title>By: Migz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Migz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot to comment about Donovan...I&#039;m not sure I preferred either of the two options for him.  On one hand I worried that MLS would die without him, but on the other hand I think MLS would have been given some credibility if he did well...but that&#039;s assuming he does well this time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot to comment about Donovan&#8230;I&#39;m not sure I preferred either of the two options for him.  On one hand I worried that MLS would die without him, but on the other hand I think MLS would have been given some credibility if he did well&#8230;but that&#39;s assuming he does well this time!</p>
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		<title>By: Migz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Migz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been an MLS fan for a few years now.  It&#039;s REALLY hard to stay excited about the league when I can only see one MLS game per week.  Sure, I can fork out big bucks for some cable package, but I&#039;m broke and not willing to fork out lots of money for MLS just yet.  Also, the media makes it harder to follow by not covering the sport at all.  ESPN is getting better about it, but much improvement is still needed.  But still, I&#039;m hanging in there.  It&#039;s growing fast, which means we are in serious need of lots of good talent, but I&#039;m of the opinion that most of MLS&#039;s problems are understandable.   We&#039;re not even 15 years old yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve been an MLS fan for a few years now.  It&#39;s REALLY hard to stay excited about the league when I can only see one MLS game per week.  Sure, I can fork out big bucks for some cable package, but I&#39;m broke and not willing to fork out lots of money for MLS just yet.  Also, the media makes it harder to follow by not covering the sport at all.  ESPN is getting better about it, but much improvement is still needed.  But still, I&#39;m hanging in there.  It&#39;s growing fast, which means we are in serious need of lots of good talent, but I&#39;m of the opinion that most of MLS&#39;s problems are understandable.   We&#39;re not even 15 years old yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The USL vs MLS comparison is a waste of time. Dumb vs Dumber. Garber vs Marcos. As I said dumb versus dumber.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as this article is concerned I happen to agree that the lack of marque of American players in MLS is a problem. Truthfully a big failure of the MLS was the lack of quality Americans besides Ricky Davis and Perry Van Der Beck. Sure the quality of Americans is improving but when guys like Hunter Freeman and Clarence Goodson feel they can make more money abroad, the league will always be seen as second tier and minor by American fans no matter how many Beckham and Blanco&#039;s sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The USL vs MLS comparison is a waste of time. Dumb vs Dumber. Garber vs Marcos. As I said dumb versus dumber.</p>
<p>As far as this article is concerned I happen to agree that the lack of marque of American players in MLS is a problem. Truthfully a big failure of the MLS was the lack of quality Americans besides Ricky Davis and Perry Van Der Beck. Sure the quality of Americans is improving but when guys like Hunter Freeman and Clarence Goodson feel they can make more money abroad, the league will always be seen as second tier and minor by American fans no matter how many Beckham and Blanco&#39;s sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dovonan has been in Europe before and the league didn&#039;t implode.  That&#039;s the only data point we have regarding your premise, and it doesn&#039;t support it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding the percentage of MLS players on national teams, the decline is simply an indication that American players are improving and gaining respect worldwide.  This is a good development, not a negative.  You may have noticed that all those great South American teams are composed of players who mostly play in Europe.  That doesn&#039;t seem to have hurt their domestic leagues or their national squads.  I think we would welcome the day our situation resembles Argentina&#039;s, not whine about it.  Like most domestic leagues, MLS is never going to compete against European leagues for top players unless god comes down and miracles soccer into the most popular sport in America.  Not holding my breath.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as MLS vs. USL:  I suggest you use all available data for comparison rather than cherry-picking a couple of results from a single tournament.  Since MLS was formed, the USL has won the US Open Cup once out of 12 or 13 years.  And this is in a tournament that MLS squads rarely take seriously until the finals, while USL sides take it very seriously.  Using that information, it&#039;s clear that while USL sides can sometimes achieve great results, MLS is much higher quality overall.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Would you use this same approach on English soccer in some year that a Championship squad wins the FA Cup?  I doubt it.  Like any sport, upsets are rare but they do happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dovonan has been in Europe before and the league didn&#39;t implode.  That&#39;s the only data point we have regarding your premise, and it doesn&#39;t support it.</p>
<p>Regarding the percentage of MLS players on national teams, the decline is simply an indication that American players are improving and gaining respect worldwide.  This is a good development, not a negative.  You may have noticed that all those great South American teams are composed of players who mostly play in Europe.  That doesn&#39;t seem to have hurt their domestic leagues or their national squads.  I think we would welcome the day our situation resembles Argentina&#39;s, not whine about it.  Like most domestic leagues, MLS is never going to compete against European leagues for top players unless god comes down and miracles soccer into the most popular sport in America.  Not holding my breath.</p>
<p>As far as MLS vs. USL:  I suggest you use all available data for comparison rather than cherry-picking a couple of results from a single tournament.  Since MLS was formed, the USL has won the US Open Cup once out of 12 or 13 years.  And this is in a tournament that MLS squads rarely take seriously until the finals, while USL sides take it very seriously.  Using that information, it&#39;s clear that while USL sides can sometimes achieve great results, MLS is much higher quality overall.</p>
<p>Would you use this same approach on English soccer in some year that a Championship squad wins the FA Cup?  I doubt it.  Like any sport, upsets are rare but they do happen.</p>
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		<title>By: undrafted</title>
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		<dc:creator>undrafted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering how most countries have promotion, I&#039;d question how irrelevant second divisions are most anywhere.  Take away&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In 2004, 2 Costa Rican teams made the final of the CONCACAF tourny.   In 2005 their 1 entry in the main tourny made the final.  In 2006 2 teams edged MLS teams by 1 goal each. In 2007 the Dynamo edged their 1 entrant (not Saprissa or Alajuense).  In 2008 (the spring version), Saprissa made the final and knocked off a Mexican team.  Their top 2-3 teams are very good. Historically MLS teams have gone their preseason and have not gotten results.  Puerto Rico did well and got a draw there.  That&#039;s still a sample size of 1.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;MLS scouting isn&#039;t perfect and the cap limits MLS depth.  I&#039;d say take away the top 16 players on any MLS team and there&#039;s rarely anyone better than a good USL player.  So what?  USL has done some good things.  But they&#039;ve also left a trail of debts unpaid (Rochester, Virginia Beach).  The PDL is great.  Montreal, Portland, and others are building something special.  But in the end, other than a scouting ground for MLS and local games for a few midsized US markets, USL doesn&#039;t offer that much reason to be paid attention.  I&#039;ve seen each team at least a couple times on FSC but USL is pretty far down my radar compared to UEFA Champions&#039; League, the EPL, La Liga, MLS.  Why?  Because MLS has former, current, and future USMNT players.  Neither MLS or USL are going to match the quality of a good handful of leagues out there.  USL deserves respect in several areas but it&#039;s rightfully considered mostly irrelevant by anyone not living in a pro USL city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering how most countries have promotion, I&#39;d question how irrelevant second divisions are most anywhere.  Take away</p>
<p>In 2004, 2 Costa Rican teams made the final of the CONCACAF tourny.   In 2005 their 1 entry in the main tourny made the final.  In 2006 2 teams edged MLS teams by 1 goal each. In 2007 the Dynamo edged their 1 entrant (not Saprissa or Alajuense).  In 2008 (the spring version), Saprissa made the final and knocked off a Mexican team.  Their top 2-3 teams are very good. Historically MLS teams have gone their preseason and have not gotten results.  Puerto Rico did well and got a draw there.  That&#39;s still a sample size of 1.</p>
<p>MLS scouting isn&#39;t perfect and the cap limits MLS depth.  I&#39;d say take away the top 16 players on any MLS team and there&#39;s rarely anyone better than a good USL player.  So what?  USL has done some good things.  But they&#39;ve also left a trail of debts unpaid (Rochester, Virginia Beach).  The PDL is great.  Montreal, Portland, and others are building something special.  But in the end, other than a scouting ground for MLS and local games for a few midsized US markets, USL doesn&#39;t offer that much reason to be paid attention.  I&#39;ve seen each team at least a couple times on FSC but USL is pretty far down my radar compared to UEFA Champions&#39; League, the EPL, La Liga, MLS.  Why?  Because MLS has former, current, and future USMNT players.  Neither MLS or USL are going to match the quality of a good handful of leagues out there.  USL deserves respect in several areas but it&#39;s rightfully considered mostly irrelevant by anyone not living in a pro USL city.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me correct the record on Puerto Rico. The accomplishment was not that they advanced on a water log pitch at home, it is that they got a draw in Costa Rica. Kartik doesn&#039;t seem to point that out here, but I assume that&#039;s what he means. MLS sides have nine losses in nine matches in Costa Rica, while the first USL trip resulted ina  draw. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nobody sane would argue USL is better than MLS. But what can be argued and should be argued is that the MLS snob fans that act as if USL doesn&#039;t exist, which is most MLS fans I interact with are doing themselves and the game a diservice in this country. They are more fans of a league than the game. MLS teams traditionally have second rate scouting operations and I know of several players that ended up in USL because of this and also because of the salary cap in MLS. Thus USL has a lot more quality than a typical irrelevent second division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me correct the record on Puerto Rico. The accomplishment was not that they advanced on a water log pitch at home, it is that they got a draw in Costa Rica. Kartik doesn&#39;t seem to point that out here, but I assume that&#39;s what he means. MLS sides have nine losses in nine matches in Costa Rica, while the first USL trip resulted ina  draw. </p>
<p>Nobody sane would argue USL is better than MLS. But what can be argued and should be argued is that the MLS snob fans that act as if USL doesn&#39;t exist, which is most MLS fans I interact with are doing themselves and the game a diservice in this country. They are more fans of a league than the game. MLS teams traditionally have second rate scouting operations and I know of several players that ended up in USL because of this and also because of the salary cap in MLS. Thus USL has a lot more quality than a typical irrelevent second division.</p>
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