Comments on: Defending Krishnaiyer, We Do Have A Problem http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083 Daily Analysis of Major League Soccer Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:47:29 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Adam Edg http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17594 Adam Edg Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:27:01 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17594 Phil, I cheered against RBNY because they are in New York : ) All sports teams in NY/NJ get no love from me (except the three in Long Island - Dragons b/c they were in Des Moines first; Islanders b/c Okposo played for DM Bucs; Lizards just b/c) because they are evil!!! Having a team named after corporation in New York makes perfect sense. Just like having LA sponsored by a questionable weight loss suplement makes sense (they're shallow!). Aside from that little bit, I believe Red Bull really is trying to make things better. They bought AEG's share of the stadium to remove the stage in order to emphasise that association football is the primary, if not exclusive, focus of the new stadium. They have tried a couple of different coaches. They brought Angel - who is one of the best overall in the MLS - ever. Didn't they also bring a guy from the Austrian club to support the back line recently ? A coaching change is definitely in order and you had better believe they will try something unlike anything they've done so far and will continue to do so until the team wins. They invest at least $150 million (not including salaries) in the team and stadium by now; don't think they are giving up. As far as the Cosmos name, it needs to go to a new team dressed in green and gold. Period. Get a new team with that name & those colors, find a way to get Pele involved & sign a marquee American name like Adu and then watch the fanbase explode... Phil, I cheered against RBNY because they are in New York : ) All sports teams in NY/NJ get no love from me (except the three in Long Island – Dragons b/c they were in Des Moines first; Islanders b/c Okposo played for DM Bucs; Lizards just b/c) because they are evil!!! Having a team named after corporation in New York makes perfect sense. Just like having LA sponsored by a questionable weight loss suplement makes sense (they’re shallow!).
Aside from that little bit, I believe Red Bull really is trying to make things better. They bought AEG’s share of the stadium to remove the stage in order to emphasise that association football is the primary, if not exclusive, focus of the new stadium. They have tried a couple of different coaches. They brought Angel – who is one of the best overall in the MLS – ever. Didn’t they also bring a guy from the Austrian club to support the back line recently ? A coaching change is definitely in order and you had better believe they will try something unlike anything they’ve done so far and will continue to do so until the team wins. They invest at least $150 million (not including salaries) in the team and stadium by now; don’t think they are giving up.
As far as the Cosmos name, it needs to go to a new team dressed in green and gold. Period. Get a new team with that name & those colors, find a way to get Pele involved & sign a marquee American name like Adu and then watch the fanbase explode…

]]> By: Phil http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17589 Phil Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:10:49 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17589 Thanks Daniel. That was a nice and thorough response. I also have a little skeptism about changing the name to the Cosmos. The Cosmos would unite the city like it did in the past, but there is no way they can live up to lucrative spending habits. However, I will always think that the Red Bull name has to change. If not to the Cosmos, maybe the Empire Soccer Club, the club's initial thought for naming the team. The fact that this is still in debate almost four years after the RB takeover is proof that something isn't working out. Of course, this is a very bad year. But overall, RBNY has truly never had a good year. And if you dare reference last year's MLS Cup, ask why every club's fanbase wanted RB to lose. Not for the name, or the hatred to the ownership, but because it would've embarrassed the league allowing a team that didn't have a winning record to sneak-in and steal the Cup. Referencing last year is simply referencing a poor playoff structure. For people like me, we sold out our club for success on the field, not just a superficial stadium. And four years later, I feel that I got the short-end of the bargain. Because if this was the Metrostars, my loyalty would've never been stronger. There was an identity then. Thanks Daniel. That was a nice and thorough response. I also have a little skeptism about changing the name to the Cosmos. The Cosmos would unite the city like it did in the past, but there is no way they can live up to lucrative spending habits. However, I will always think that the Red Bull name has to change. If not to the Cosmos, maybe the Empire Soccer Club, the club’s initial thought for naming the team. The fact that this is still in debate almost four years after the RB takeover is proof that something isn’t working out.

Of course, this is a very bad year. But overall, RBNY has truly never had a good year. And if you dare reference last year’s MLS Cup, ask why every club’s fanbase wanted RB to lose. Not for the name, or the hatred to the ownership, but because it would’ve embarrassed the league allowing a team that didn’t have a winning record to sneak-in and steal the Cup. Referencing last year is simply referencing a poor playoff structure.

For people like me, we sold out our club for success on the field, not just a superficial stadium. And four years later, I feel that I got the short-end of the bargain. Because if this was the Metrostars, my loyalty would’ve never been stronger. There was an identity then.

]]> By: Vnice http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17418 Vnice Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:39:28 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17418 Aren't Red Bull Salzburg the champions of the Austrian Bundasliga? Seems like they try and do stuff right to me. New stadium, Juan Pablo Angel (who is a class guy and a good player), and other things that RBNY are doing right. Aren’t Red Bull Salzburg the champions of the Austrian Bundasliga? Seems like they try and do stuff right to me.

New stadium, Juan Pablo Angel (who is a class guy and a good player), and other things that RBNY are doing right.

]]> By: Daniel Feuerstein http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17409 Daniel Feuerstein Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:09:22 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17409 Phil: I understand why everyone is screaming about with the guys in the ESC and on the Big Soccer Boards. I think it's too late to bring the name back. At the same time if you bring the name back it's not going to change what's on the field now, or forever. When this club was called MetroStars (After Stubotnic's Metromedia which was also a corporation) I didn't mind a name change for Cosmos if it happened. I'm more concerned about those old time fans like my Uncle who keeps talking about the Cosmos might not return to another game if it's not going to be like it was back in the NASL days. I know Pepe Pinton who use to coach Ramapo College's Men's soccer team. Right now his son D.J. is the head coach. If he is saying he is willing to give up the name for free, I don't believe that's the case. I think he is saying it to enter negotiations with anyone who wants to start a club in the area. He held Cosmos Camps at Ramapo College during the Spring & Summer semesters. He knows how valueable that name is, he is just saying it to get some form of negotiations and then he will give his asking price. How did Red Bull steal the club? Because of a name change? They paid alot of money for it and they have done alot more for this club then what the last two owners did. I understand this is a crap season, I understand that they should fire Jeff Agoos & Juan Carlos Osorio. Stubotnic did nothing for the club, the only thing that AEG did good for the club was to keep it afloat during the bad years of MLS with only three owners running all 10 sides. When Sakewicz was screaming for 60 to 90 days on that stadium in Harrison, NJ it was a running joke till it became a sad sight of a promise gone bad. If you and everyone assumes that stadium in Harrison is for their trick bikers, Skateboarders, parachute team & air races but not for football, then you and everyone else is making alot of excuses on why this season has been complete crap. No I'm not following the corporate montra with Red Bull. I'm not in their pocket. I see these things very clearly. I believe not changing the coach is the wrong thing to do. I believe someone else should come in there and shake things up because the only thing that is left for saving this season is the CONCACAF Champions League and defeating W.Connection in the Qualifying Round to get it started. I think it's time for Richie Williams to get a second bite of the apple. Like I said, everyone is right to be angry and frustrated, but I'm not going to say that Red Bull is the problem. I'm not going to blindly join the rest of the guys on their soap boxes and say the company is the problem. One disgustingly crap season every ten years doesn't mean it's the owners fault. Phil: I understand why everyone is screaming about with the guys in the ESC and on the Big Soccer Boards. I think it’s too late to bring the name back. At the same time if you bring the name back it’s not going to change what’s on the field now, or forever. When this club was called MetroStars (After Stubotnic’s Metromedia which was also a corporation) I didn’t mind a name change for Cosmos if it happened. I’m more concerned about those old time fans like my Uncle who keeps talking about the Cosmos might not return to another game if it’s not going to be like it was back in the NASL days.

I know Pepe Pinton who use to coach Ramapo College’s Men’s soccer team. Right now his son D.J. is the head coach. If he is saying he is willing to give up the name for free, I don’t believe that’s the case. I think he is saying it to enter negotiations with anyone who wants to start a club in the area. He held Cosmos Camps at Ramapo College during the Spring & Summer semesters. He knows how valueable that name is, he is just saying it to get some form of negotiations and then he will give his asking price.

How did Red Bull steal the club? Because of a name change? They paid alot of money for it and they have done alot more for this club then what the last two owners did. I understand this is a crap season, I understand that they should fire Jeff Agoos & Juan Carlos Osorio. Stubotnic did nothing for the club, the only thing that AEG did good for the club was to keep it afloat during the bad years of MLS with only three owners running all 10 sides. When Sakewicz was screaming for 60 to 90 days on that stadium in Harrison, NJ it was a running joke till it became a sad sight of a promise gone bad.

If you and everyone assumes that stadium in Harrison is for their trick bikers, Skateboarders, parachute team & air races but not for football, then you and everyone else is making alot of excuses on why this season has been complete crap. No I’m not following the corporate montra with Red Bull. I’m not in their pocket. I see these things very clearly. I believe not changing the coach is the wrong thing to do. I believe someone else should come in there and shake things up because the only thing that is left for saving this season is the CONCACAF Champions League and defeating W.Connection in the Qualifying Round to get it started. I think it’s time for Richie Williams to get a second bite of the apple.

Like I said, everyone is right to be angry and frustrated, but I’m not going to say that Red Bull is the problem. I’m not going to blindly join the rest of the guys on their soap boxes and say the company is the problem. One disgustingly crap season every ten years doesn’t mean it’s the owners fault.

]]> By: Adam Edg http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17405 Adam Edg Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:26:09 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17405 MLS is highly watchable and entertaining - most of the time. I would argue that the average MLS game is much more entertaining than the average match between lower-tier EPL teams any day of the week. Some MLS games can even be great because of the little rivaries finally popping up (NY vs LA being a good one these days). No matter how crappy some teams **cough, Red Bull, cough** have been lately, when they step up against certain teams they put on a good performance. Houston and Toronto is another great rivalry that has sprung up; DeRo's move up north just makes it that much more intense. Superclasico is always a great time. Fire vs Crew usually stacks up there as well. When Seattle gets some company in the NW, get ready for some real intensity. Drew Carrey called it the "triangle of death," hopefully the past rivalries carry over... As far as Red Bull's name, they are named after their owners. Nothing wrong with that. Renaming them (again) would cheapen the team as a whole. If the Cosmos name was used, then it completely devalues that name as well. I still think Cosmos should be used if/when a second MLS team is granted. They have to wear green and gold, just like the NASL days. I always figured the Galaxy changed their colors b/c a new Cosmos team was in the works... MLS is highly watchable and entertaining – most of the time. I would argue that the average MLS game is much more entertaining than the average match between lower-tier EPL teams any day of the week.
Some MLS games can even be great because of the little rivaries finally popping up (NY vs LA being a good one these days). No matter how crappy some teams **cough, Red Bull, cough** have been lately, when they step up against certain teams they put on a good performance. Houston and Toronto is another great rivalry that has sprung up; DeRo’s move up north just makes it that much more intense. Superclasico is always a great time. Fire vs Crew usually stacks up there as well. When Seattle gets some company in the NW, get ready for some real intensity. Drew Carrey called it the “triangle of death,” hopefully the past rivalries carry over…
As far as Red Bull’s name, they are named after their owners. Nothing wrong with that. Renaming them (again) would cheapen the team as a whole. If the Cosmos name was used, then it completely devalues that name as well. I still think Cosmos should be used if/when a second MLS team is granted. They have to wear green and gold, just like the NASL days. I always figured the Galaxy changed their colors b/c a new Cosmos team was in the works…

]]> By: doug mulliken http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17403 doug mulliken Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:24:41 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17403 i never said MLS was unwatchable... it's just maddening at times. as for RBNY - i quite like the name - "red bull new york" sounds good to me... yes, it's commercialism at its best/worst, but at the same time, in europe you have teams like bayer leverkusen and psv that have the corporate owner's name in the team, and nobody has a problem with it - i mean, you never hear anyone say "i hate bayer leverkusen because they have the bayer corporation in their name..." and then there are names like CSKA, which stands for "central sports club of the army," throughout the slavic-speaking world. that seems way worse than a corporate name... anyway, i think red bull new york is 1000 times better than metrostars, and you can't deny the fact that red bull is putting their money where their mouth is - thank god they bought out AEG on the stadium - i hate it when mls games are postponed at HDC because a concert or xgames or something. i never said MLS was unwatchable… it’s just maddening at times.

as for RBNY – i quite like the name – “red bull new york” sounds good to me… yes, it’s commercialism at its best/worst, but at the same time, in europe you have teams like bayer leverkusen and psv that have the corporate owner’s name in the team, and nobody has a problem with it – i mean, you never hear anyone say “i hate bayer leverkusen because they have the bayer corporation in their name…”

and then there are names like CSKA, which stands for “central sports club of the army,” throughout the slavic-speaking world. that seems way worse than a corporate name…

anyway, i think red bull new york is 1000 times better than metrostars, and you can’t deny the fact that red bull is putting their money where their mouth is – thank god they bought out AEG on the stadium – i hate it when mls games are postponed at HDC because a concert or xgames or something.

]]> By: Vnice http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17402 Vnice Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:12:22 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17402 Hmmm...Red Bull NY. I am not convinced that they can't succeed without another name. Although...they could change the name to Cosmos, and STILL keep the stadium name and a similar shirt. Just have a Cosmos crest on the chest, and the Red Bull shirt could be the corporate sponsorship type thing. New York Cosmos by Red Bull or something to that effect. Anyway... As for MLS being unwatchable. I am glad I don't find it unwatchable. I am glad I am not so discerning in my tastes that MLS is unacceptable to me. It would make soccer so boring for me. So...yeah, I'm cool with being an uncultured slob here...hehe. Hmmm…Red Bull NY. I am not convinced that they can’t succeed without another name. Although…they could change the name to Cosmos, and STILL keep the stadium name and a similar shirt. Just have a Cosmos crest on the chest, and the Red Bull shirt could be the corporate sponsorship type thing. New York Cosmos by Red Bull or something to that effect.

Anyway…

As for MLS being unwatchable. I am glad I don’t find it unwatchable. I am glad I am not so discerning in my tastes that MLS is unacceptable to me. It would make soccer so boring for me. So…yeah, I’m cool with being an uncultured slob here…hehe.

]]> By: ERT09 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17389 ERT09 Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:08:21 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17389 Agreed- La Liga is it for now. At least for the next 2-3 years it's the world superstar league and is much more open and less negative than the EPL anyhow. Agreed- La Liga is it for now. At least for the next 2-3 years it’s the world superstar league and is much more open and less negative than the EPL anyhow.

]]> By: Kevin_amold http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17385 Kevin_amold Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:40:14 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17385 Remember Dasiam- Enough already with linking conservatives to hating soccer. It's tiresome, and boring. Remember Dasiam- Enough already with linking conservatives to hating soccer. It’s tiresome, and boring.

]]> By: eplnfl http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/defending-krishnaiyer-we-do-have-a-problem/5083#comment-17383 eplnfl Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:31:40 +0000 http://www.majorleaguesoccertalk.com/?p=5083#comment-17383 Kartik, well made point that La Liga is pulling ahead of the EPL in general audience interest. ESPN went with the most attractive soccer option in bringing La Liga to it's American audience. EPL take note and get your shop in order. As many say above I fully agree that if MLS markets itself right and brings in a few names and most of those names should be American( also Latin-American) names, the league will be a very hot TV property for American networks. Kartik, well made point that La Liga is pulling ahead of the EPL in general audience interest. ESPN went with the most attractive soccer option in bringing La Liga to it’s American audience. EPL take note and get your shop in order.

As many say above I fully agree that if MLS markets itself right and brings in a few names and most of those names should be American( also Latin-American) names, the league will be a very hot TV property for American networks.

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