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		<title>By: m65</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 21:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good read many thanks for the share</description>
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		<title>By: ugg boots</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 07:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michelle Aguila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Aguila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a Mexican-American, I can understand some of the difficulties that someone can face when they have a trace of &quot;guero&quot; in them. However, there is a difference between those players who have at least one parent of Mexican descent, and one parent of foreign origin (Dos Santos) as opposed to those whose entire cultural/national background lies within another country. I think this is one of the biggest issues that Franco has to face. 

He became naturalized in order for him to play for a local soccer club in Mexico and not in order to play on the Mexico national team. Him being called to play for the national team was a happenstance and a convenient move and not a call of duty to play for one&#039;s country. I am not doubting his talent, but rather giving an explanation for why he might not be well received to any Mexican (whether native or American-born) fan. 

Native Mexican footballers play for teams all around the world, but when it comes time for &quot;National Duty&quot;, most (if not all) will return to Mexico to play for their country. That is what separates a National team from a local soccer club. A local soccer club can take players from all around the world and they can be bought and sold and traded at will. A national team is a sign of national pride. It&#039;s a representation of one&#039;s country. If any National Team suddenly became filled with non-native naturalized citizens from all over the world, then that team would cease to represent the players from that country and would focus ONLY on talent rather than origin. I have nothing against the melting pot theory, but in a country like Mexico, a lack of diverse representation within different demographic groups on the national team already exists, and to bring in someone who isn&#039;t even of Mexican origin from either their mother or father&#039;s sides to play due to a lack of talent is a bit of a slap in the face to fans and to Mexican soccer.

I personally like Franco. As long as he pledges his allegiance to Mexico while he&#039;s playing for our national team, then I&#039;ll wear his jersey and support him amidst his negative reception. However, I&#039;d rather have a team of dedicated, native players who are willing to play for their country out of the pride and love they feel for it (regardless of how good/bad they are) than a team of non-native players who are merely there to make the team look good but take the meaning out of the term &quot;national duty&quot;. I root for Mexico&#039;s team (regardless of my American birth) because my native roots are more reflective of Mexico and my family is directly from there. It&#039;s a state of national pride that makes Mexican soccer more than just a team. 

As an American born girl of Mexican origin who has had more exposure to Mexican culture than that of &quot;American&quot; culture, I would like it if only players of Mexican origin (not necessarily of birth) would make up most of the National team roster and the few naturalized footballers that play would be proud of Mexico as a country, rather than as merely a team they are paid to make look good when they play in the international stage.

Forgive my romantic ideals, but I think that culture does take precedence on an national team level as opposed to the other way around for a local team. 



I do hope this changes, but I&#039;d rather see demographic minorities in Mexico represented</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a Mexican-American, I can understand some of the difficulties that someone can face when they have a trace of &#8220;guero&#8221; in them. However, there is a difference between those players who have at least one parent of Mexican descent, and one parent of foreign origin (Dos Santos) as opposed to those whose entire cultural/national background lies within another country. I think this is one of the biggest issues that Franco has to face. </p>
<p>He became naturalized in order for him to play for a local soccer club in Mexico and not in order to play on the Mexico national team. Him being called to play for the national team was a happenstance and a convenient move and not a call of duty to play for one&#8217;s country. I am not doubting his talent, but rather giving an explanation for why he might not be well received to any Mexican (whether native or American-born) fan. </p>
<p>Native Mexican footballers play for teams all around the world, but when it comes time for &#8220;National Duty&#8221;, most (if not all) will return to Mexico to play for their country. That is what separates a National team from a local soccer club. A local soccer club can take players from all around the world and they can be bought and sold and traded at will. A national team is a sign of national pride. It&#8217;s a representation of one&#8217;s country. If any National Team suddenly became filled with non-native naturalized citizens from all over the world, then that team would cease to represent the players from that country and would focus ONLY on talent rather than origin. I have nothing against the melting pot theory, but in a country like Mexico, a lack of diverse representation within different demographic groups on the national team already exists, and to bring in someone who isn&#8217;t even of Mexican origin from either their mother or father&#8217;s sides to play due to a lack of talent is a bit of a slap in the face to fans and to Mexican soccer.</p>
<p>I personally like Franco. As long as he pledges his allegiance to Mexico while he&#8217;s playing for our national team, then I&#8217;ll wear his jersey and support him amidst his negative reception. However, I&#8217;d rather have a team of dedicated, native players who are willing to play for their country out of the pride and love they feel for it (regardless of how good/bad they are) than a team of non-native players who are merely there to make the team look good but take the meaning out of the term &#8220;national duty&#8221;. I root for Mexico&#8217;s team (regardless of my American birth) because my native roots are more reflective of Mexico and my family is directly from there. It&#8217;s a state of national pride that makes Mexican soccer more than just a team. </p>
<p>As an American born girl of Mexican origin who has had more exposure to Mexican culture than that of &#8220;American&#8221; culture, I would like it if only players of Mexican origin (not necessarily of birth) would make up most of the National team roster and the few naturalized footballers that play would be proud of Mexico as a country, rather than as merely a team they are paid to make look good when they play in the international stage.</p>
<p>Forgive my romantic ideals, but I think that culture does take precedence on an national team level as opposed to the other way around for a local team. </p>
<p>I do hope this changes, but I&#8217;d rather see demographic minorities in Mexico represented</p>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...but Canada is, and with 10mil more in population then Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but Canada is, and with 10mil more in population then Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Clams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Clams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US is not a Commonwealth country.</description>
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		<title>By: Joey Clams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Clams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice contribution, Lars.</description>
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		<title>By: vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do support a Canadian league, but &quot;within a traditional format&quot; may be unhooking things a bit too fast. Fellow commonwealth country, Australia seems to have done well in developing a league- partly a result of exciting World Cup runs. Canada hasnt had that. So maybe the best thing would be for MLS &amp; Canadian league to have seasons kind of like the Mexican league- divided into two. However, I say the play only within respective domestic leagues should constitute like 60% or just over half of play. Then, the significant other 40% or so would be part of a N. American cup. If the vast bulk of play for the Canadian teams involves just playing themselves, then I think attendance and interest will drop off (since the available competition would be just 7 other teams).  That could be a transition step towards eventual traditional inter-league cups that would satisfy FiFa&#039;s rules on domestic leagues. Remember, the large Canadian markets have long been exposured to leagues where competition involves 30 or so other teams (hockey, baseball, basketball). To go from play with 16 other cities in MLS to playing the same 7 teams a 3rd or 4th time over a season will certainly have its affect. Now if only Costa Rica &amp; Trinidad leagues could go in opposite direction (fold weak teams, &amp; invite strong teams from neighbor&#039;s semi-pro leagues- martinique, panama, etc), then maybe CCL play might be more competitive and watchable</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do support a Canadian league, but &#8220;within a traditional format&#8221; may be unhooking things a bit too fast. Fellow commonwealth country, Australia seems to have done well in developing a league- partly a result of exciting World Cup runs. Canada hasnt had that. So maybe the best thing would be for MLS &amp; Canadian league to have seasons kind of like the Mexican league- divided into two. However, I say the play only within respective domestic leagues should constitute like 60% or just over half of play. Then, the significant other 40% or so would be part of a N. American cup. If the vast bulk of play for the Canadian teams involves just playing themselves, then I think attendance and interest will drop off (since the available competition would be just 7 other teams).  That could be a transition step towards eventual traditional inter-league cups that would satisfy FiFa&#8217;s rules on domestic leagues. Remember, the large Canadian markets have long been exposured to leagues where competition involves 30 or so other teams (hockey, baseball, basketball). To go from play with 16 other cities in MLS to playing the same 7 teams a 3rd or 4th time over a season will certainly have its affect. Now if only Costa Rica &amp; Trinidad leagues could go in opposite direction (fold weak teams, &amp; invite strong teams from neighbor&#8217;s semi-pro leagues- martinique, panama, etc), then maybe CCL play might be more competitive and watchable</p>
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		<title>By: Lars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory is you&#039;ve probably never been north of the 49th.

Either that, or you&#039;re an idiot.

As somebody who is from the Periphery of Canada, I can say that Toronto is indeed Canadian.  We make jokes about the Centre of the Universe, but really, they&#039;re just that.  Jokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory is you&#8217;ve probably never been north of the 49th.</p>
<p>Either that, or you&#8217;re an idiot.</p>
<p>As somebody who is from the Periphery of Canada, I can say that Toronto is indeed Canadian.  We make jokes about the Centre of the Universe, but really, they&#8217;re just that.  Jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Clams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Clams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory is that Toronto doesn&#039;t necessarily care about the rest of Canada.  It is a de facto denationalized city-state, except when they&#039;re playing against American MLS teams.  

Torontonian soccer fans insist on the best of all worlds: league matches  in which they can put on their Canada cap against American competition and Cup matches against only big teams in Canada.  

They&#039;d be bored stiff having to play against teams from Winnipeg and Halifax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory is that Toronto doesn&#8217;t necessarily care about the rest of Canada.  It is a de facto denationalized city-state, except when they&#8217;re playing against American MLS teams.  </p>
<p>Torontonian soccer fans insist on the best of all worlds: league matches  in which they can put on their Canada cap against American competition and Cup matches against only big teams in Canada.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;d be bored stiff having to play against teams from Winnipeg and Halifax.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Clams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey Clams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent SoccerAmerica a letter in which I expressed dismay at their failure to address the Canada thing.  I also suggested that they dedicate most of an issue to a pro-con on the question.  They did nothing.  Why?  Because they&#039;re afraid of pissing off Sunil.  

I&#039;d love to see meaningful competition between US and Canadian clubs.  Those games, though, should be within a conventional, traditional format, that is, a continental club championship.  

I also wish to see higher profile games between the national teams.  Canada, though, can&#039;t get past the Concacaf semifinals and we&#039;re meant to believe that coaching rather than a lack of heart is the problem.  

Anyway, for an American fan to desire a US-only league through national soccer pride is not xenophobic or &quot;Yanks first.&quot;  It&#039;s merely traditional.  It&#039;s human nature.  Or is pride now out of style?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent SoccerAmerica a letter in which I expressed dismay at their failure to address the Canada thing.  I also suggested that they dedicate most of an issue to a pro-con on the question.  They did nothing.  Why?  Because they&#8217;re afraid of pissing off Sunil.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see meaningful competition between US and Canadian clubs.  Those games, though, should be within a conventional, traditional format, that is, a continental club championship.  </p>
<p>I also wish to see higher profile games between the national teams.  Canada, though, can&#8217;t get past the Concacaf semifinals and we&#8217;re meant to believe that coaching rather than a lack of heart is the problem.  </p>
<p>Anyway, for an American fan to desire a US-only league through national soccer pride is not xenophobic or &#8220;Yanks first.&#8221;  It&#8217;s merely traditional.  It&#8217;s human nature.  Or is pride now out of style?</p>
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