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  2. jbdavis1
    jbdavis1
    January 31, 2009 at 8:26 pm | | Reply


    It's probably important to keep in mind the metro populations involved when talking about average attendance. I've always believed that MLS got a bad rap when it came to attendance, even if there is plenty of room for improvement. That being said, I'm not sure how much faith we can put numbers reported by MLS or the teams.

  3. Garby
    Garby
    February 1, 2009 at 2:27 am | | Reply


    You must have made some counting error, because Mercedes-Benz Arena, Stuttgarts stadium, only holds 55.000 people. The largest stadium in Germany belongs to Borussia Dortmund (Cap. 80.000).

  4. HArry
    HArry
    February 1, 2009 at 4:30 am | | Reply


    thier was a report going around that Both NBA and NHL scave their attendances big time. They count the tickets distributed, not people at the games. So MLS would have more than both those leagues.

  5. Brian
    February 1, 2009 at 6:40 am | | Reply


    I pulled all the attendance figures from ESPN.com, which were just raw numbers without any information as to how those numbers were compiled. I'm not sure how those Stuttgart numbers were compiled, so I wouldn't be shocked if those numbers got skewed in the process. And I apologize for ESPN in getting any of those numbers wrong. I've heard that College football tends to count all persons at the stadium, including the players, staff, media, etc.

    2009 will be interesting. It sounds as though attendance in England is falling off due to the economy and the ticket pricing. With the addition of the Sounders this year, and good ticket deals, hopefully we'll see MLS stay steady or see a small increase.

  6. LAG23
    February 1, 2009 at 1:58 pm | | Reply


    MLS actually publishes this information directly at http://web.mlsnet.com/stats/index.jsp?club=mls&…

    They report an average attendance just higher than you, reporting 3,456,641 total for 16,460 average. They report that Galaxy have 28,132 per game.

    I'm not saying one source is better than the other, but just wanted to point it out that ESPN apparently does not get their numbers from the league!

  7. Paul
    Paul
    February 1, 2009 at 2:10 pm | | Reply


    MLS has for years fudged it's attendance numbers.

    This is a well written piece if we could really trust the numbers.

    It's been speculated as many as half the tickets in places like San Jose, Colorado, Dallas and New York are given away. While LA, DC, Houston and RSL sell most of their tickets the overall league number has to be viewed with skepticism.

    Garber and MLS run such a secret shop it's hard to know when to believe them and when to simply ignore them.

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  9. DCCavalier
    DCCavalier
    February 2, 2009 at 2:07 pm | | Reply


    No disrespect meant, but I’m reminded of the person who was once told “who you gonna believe? me or your lying eyes?”

    MLS numbers are inflated with a lot people dressed as empty seats. Case in point, LA Galaxy and the Home Depot numbers. Plenty of games last year with complete empty sections so its interesting that they averaged 26,000 in a 27,000 seat stadium. The only stadium I had seen whose numbers always seem to agree with what is announced is Toronto

    At the end of the day, I don’t mean to smack MLS because in the summer I enjoy watching and sometimes going to games, but to compare MLS average when they play once a week to Major League baseball who plays just about everyday is ludicrous. MLS will hardly play on weekdays and MLB average for weekday games is 70% larger the MLS regular season weekend average.

    On the American sports scene, MLS is somewhere below NHL and just above minor league baseball when it comes to team sports.

  10. Jay
    Jay
    February 2, 2009 at 5:24 pm | | Reply


    The numbers for LA at the Home Depot are pretty close to accurate in terms of tickets sold. The club section seats are usually purchased by companies to distribute to clients, so those aren’t always full. The most skewed numbers belong to Chivas USA though, they count tickets distributed. Also the Club seats have been close to or completely sold out since the opening of the HDC, since the founding of Chivas USA club seat owners get tickets to both the Galaxy and Chivas, which means about 6,000 club seat tickets were sold by the Galaxy, but Chivas gets credit for it in their attendance.

  11. Ron
    Ron
    February 2, 2009 at 5:32 pm | | Reply


    Nice piece, though it would have been helpful if you also would have reconciled your belief that attendance would rise as more Soccer Specific Stadia come online with the FCD attendance debacle.

    Also, several times you used “then” when you should have used “than”.

  12. Dave
    Dave
    February 2, 2009 at 6:25 pm | | Reply


    Do people not realize that EVERY league in the entire world fudges attendance numbers. I’ve worked in both college and professional athletics and don’t be fooled, EVERYONE does it. I’m sick of reading people’s comments that make it seem like inflated attendances are a MLS-only problem. EVERYONE does it, therefore you can compare it ratio-wise with ANY pro-league.

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  14. Darkman
    Darkman
    February 2, 2009 at 9:51 pm | | Reply


    The Chicago Fire are selling season tickets in the upper deck (the 200 Sections) for 99 dollars. Yep, that’s right. You get 15 home games for 99 dollars. The view is absolutely great. How can you beat that? The only draw back is that the package does not include any special games like the America vs. Fire game and any other games that come along.

  15. Zach
    Zach
    February 2, 2009 at 11:28 pm | | Reply


    -Meanwhile, the Kansas City Wizards had the lowest attendance with a total of 170,769 throughout the season and an average of 10,673 per game. But don’t let those figures fool you, since one figure I found indicates that capacity of CommunityAmerica Ballpark for soccer matches is 10,385. Wonder how they squeeze in another 300?-

    While it si true that every so often the MLS and its respective teams over estimate their attendance some of the MLS teams play a game or two at different venues depending on the game at hand. For example when the LA Galaxy come to play Kansas City they move the game to Arrowhead Stadium. So for one significant game the attendance is seriously risen in order to accomidate all the people who want to see Beckham. That is why overal the Wizards come out with a slightly larger attendance than what fits at their current stadium.

    Another example is the San Jose Earthquakes play three games at the Oakland Colesium. This was when the Chicago Fire came to town for their first game back as an expansion side, and two games when the LA Galaxy came into town.

  16. Fred F.
    Fred F.
    February 3, 2009 at 2:02 am | | Reply


    The funny part of the sad FC Dallas story is they brought in a “superstar” ticket guy to solve their small attendance issues…3 YEAR AGO! He’s known for papering the stadium, concocting sponsorship deals that have fake tickets that he counts and corporate foundation sales that litter the area with free tickets for under-privledged kids.

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  18. Simon Allen
    Simon Allen
    February 5, 2009 at 12:26 pm | | Reply


    Good Article Brian… Id like to see what happens to the MLS attendances THIS season… With the (probable) departure of DB23, the failing economy and the multiple other soccer events going on (qualifiers,Gold Cup, Confederations Cup etc etc) I wonder what kind of numbers will be seeing in the stadia?
    Cheers Simon
    World Soccer Wrap (c)

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  20. ideas man
    ideas man
    April 23, 2009 at 12:43 pm | | Reply


    sorry some of your European figiures are horribly innacurate. STUTTGART

    You also have to remember that the most populated European country has less than a third of your population. No Comparison really.

    And also the in the NFL they play 8 regular season games.

    MLS will grow, but averaging 16,000 in a country of 300 million and a close shop major league of less than 20 teams. Remember in Europe we have a pyramid system. In fact both the German and English second tier average more than MLS.

    So personally the figures are respectable until you realise the amount of teams and the population we are dealing with.

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