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  1. clay
    clay
    July 8, 2011 at 8:17 am | | Reply


    I think Sporting Kansas City at Vancouver Whitecaps might be the best match of the midseason. Jimmy Nielsen started off great in goal, and a late Bunbury strike put SKC up (somewhat undeservedly) 1-0 at the break.

    Then before you know it, SKC is up 3-0 not even midway through the second half.

    Atiba Harris sparks a beautiful counterattack, 3-1. Camilo scores in the 92nd minute, 3-2. Camilo scores again just a minute later, 3-3.

    And there wasn’t one ugly goal in the bunch for either team.

  2. Charles
    Charles
    July 8, 2011 at 10:28 am | | Reply


    The LA-NY game was incredible, it wasn’t the best, but it did exemplify MLS this year.

    The Best Storyline and the Worst Storyline are one and the same, IMHO.
    MLS Superstars AKA the DPs need to be cutback, done away with or at the very least modified.

    One,
    Henry starting over Agudelo is NOT good for US Soccer.
    Agudelo types will win the US a WCup someday, Henry-types can not.

    Two, US Soccer has been down this path before.
    Remember the Cosmos paying huge money for stars and drawing tons of fans. What did it get them ?
    Decades later Seattle, Vancouver, and Portland all draw more than NY.
    Why ?
    Because NY put out the Peles in the 1970s and 1980s and got star-gazers. Go ahead and name the stars from Sea, Vanc, and Pdx. They got soccer fans. There were some stars, but they were not the reason you went to a game. We went to see the Sounders.
    Mark Peterson or Steve Zakuani it doesn’t matter.
    Pele or Tim Ream it does matter.
    MLS NEEDS TO GO AFTER MORE THAN THE STAR GAZING, CASUAL FAN.

    Two ( part II ), MLS needs to stay competitive. IF you can buy a title and some teams can never win, it will fold. Starting with Columbus ( Tulsa ) and work it way on up.
    We have already done this once before. Maybe The Don has a handle on this. I am skeptical…and concerned.

    1. Clampdown
      Clampdown
      July 8, 2011 at 10:54 am | | Reply


      I disagree wholeheartedly, Charles. MLS is not going to win over fans or sustain itself by courting mediocrity. The league must recruit better quality players and it needs to start paying players more.

      I think this has been an awful season thus far for MLS. Poor play, too many draws, too many awful referee decisions, good players missing for Gold Cup duty. I have been urging so many people over the past couple of years to give MLS another chance, saying the quality has drastically improved. But it’s hard to keep telling people that when every time they tune in they still say so many poor touches on the ball and an inability to string more than three passes together.

      1. Charles
        Charles
        July 8, 2011 at 2:10 pm | | Reply


        IF mediocre is what you think the US players coming out of college are right now, you are wrong.

        Your RedBulls are the prime example. Is Henry better than Agudelo ? Yes, I was wrong, he can still play.
        But so can Agudelo. He is a great player, and will be better IF, IF, IF he plays. But he doesn’t.

        Plus having guys come out to watch Henry isn’t sustainable.
        Is it sustainable in NY…maybe, barely. But look at their attendance once Pele wasn’t playing there. Insane.
        Is it sustainable in Dallas ? No.

        We have already been down this course, I am guessing you are way too young to remember NY drawing 50k + ( by getting bigger names than Henry on the team )…..where are those fans now ?
        Serious question, where are they ?

        The quality of MLS is a million times better than NASL. OK not a million but way better.

        1. Clampdown
          Clampdown
          July 8, 2011 at 3:00 pm | | Reply


          You probably don’t remember this, but we had brought this up before. I am older, like you, and attended NASL matches.

          I’ve also been a booster of MLS for a long time, which is why I’ve been so disappointed this season.

          I know you don’t agree, but I’d rather have more and better imports, not less. If MLS does that, there won’t be any reason for guys like Holden, Dempsey and Altidore to go elsewhere. And MLS would then be able to cut back on the number of players who shouldn’t be playing in the league anyway.

          1. Alan
            Alan
            July 9, 2011 at 1:00 am |


            I would love to see US players stay here too, but reality is that most star players go to Europe from Brazil and Argentina too. Its not a bad thing for the country. The real issue is youth development and quality of play. All of this is improving, but it will take many, many years in a nation like ours. We are just not a soccer nation like other nations. It is getting better, and it will change. It will just be gradual no matter how hard we try.

          2. Charles
            Charles
            July 10, 2011 at 12:31 am |


            That’s right you were an old NASL guy.

            That league folded. The reason, you know first hand, exactly what I am saying.

            Too much money going to superstars, causing
            One, Americans to not play.
            Two, Teams to fold when they had no chance of winning against the superstar Cosmos.
            I hear what you are saying, bring in more superstars, but that isn’t happening in areas where they have only 1 DP currently, so we can go back to 1975 and let NY have as many as they want.

            I wonder what would happen next ?

            As a side note, Mark Peterson, who I mentioned above, definitely in the discussion for most talented American player ( there were not many back then ), died today at age 51. He was a joy to watch.

      2. Charles
        Charles
        July 8, 2011 at 2:27 pm | | Reply


        Plus you are complaining about the quality this year.
        With the stars being payed huge money, you do realize that right ?

        Maybe paying two guys around $10 million ISN’T good for the OVERALL quality of a poor money league.

        You know how I feel, I would rather Stuart Holden was able to make enough to stay here. You could almost have 1 on every team for what they are playing Beckh and Henry.

        1. Sam
          Sam
          July 8, 2011 at 3:55 pm | | Reply


          Agudelos only 18!!! your making the worst argument that he must be starting, for the tim being it is best for him to sit behind henry and rodgers and come on as a sub. He is getting better this way, look what happened to Adu and Altidore they were given starting roles and it got to there heads, now theyre sitting on benches not playing at all. This system is sustainable, each team gets a few players that they can give bigger salaries or pay for the transfer like sabario; this brings in the fans and once they get hooked we can keep raising the cap slowly so we dont become NASL.

          1. Charles
            Charles
            July 10, 2011 at 12:34 am |


            I hope you are right, my heart is too old to repeat 1983 again.

  3. Charles
    Charles
    July 8, 2011 at 10:30 am | | Reply


    Do NOT mention Sigi as coach of the year. He is terrible. Always outcoached by Bruce Arena. Every time we play LA.

    When Seattle actually scores a counter attacking goal ( first one in 2.5 years ), then you can move him up to not very good status.

    1. Dan
      Dan
      July 11, 2011 at 2:07 am | | Reply


      Sigi is what is holding back Seattle. I would say Montero as well. He isn’t bad but he is far too inconsistent to demanding the wages he gets

  4. Andy
    Andy
    July 8, 2011 at 3:59 pm | | Reply


    Robert- I suppose that a peson could argue about every guy on your best XI. (Becasue that is what we do). But i’ll just go after one, Beckham. While he has played good this year and delivers on set pieces I think the only reaon he can continue to be effective is that he plays on a team that is so talaneted it makes up for his shortcomings. If for example, you put DeRosario on the Galaxy (in for Beckham) he would be so steller we would not be talking about Beckham. Beckhams legs are failing him and it shows in his ability to maintain posession and on defense.

    Charlse- Arena is a good coach no doubt, but compare Sigi to most of the other Coaches in the MLS. What you get is 3-4 really good coaches (which Sigi is one) and then everybody else in the distance.

  5. Nick
    Nick
    July 8, 2011 at 6:11 pm | | Reply


    On the over discussed MLS storylines point I just have to say:

    The Portland Timbers have a dude with a chainsaw and a supporter’s group of who fills 1/3 of the stands and sings the entire game. No other team has that.

    This isn’t hype…it’s the truth and you better believe son!

    1. hmmm
      hmmm
      July 9, 2011 at 12:48 am | | Reply


      Why would other teams have a guy with a chainsaw?

      Maybe Chivas could parade a goat around every time they score. The Galaxy could have a planetarium. Real Salt Lake could spray the crowd with salt water. Columbus could build a moat and have some rowers. Kansas City could… uh, well they could change their name to something that isn’t moronic.

  6. Dan
    Dan
    July 11, 2011 at 2:06 am | | Reply


    THANK YOU!!!!!!!

    The whole Cascadia thing really gets old. They act like Seattle was the first team to get that sort of atmosphere. Many teams have been selling out regularly before Seattle came into this league

  7. ExtraMedium
    ExtraMedium
    July 12, 2011 at 1:49 pm | | Reply


    @charles. NASL 1.0 didn’t have relegation…please name ONE country w/ pro/rel where their league system collapsed…

    1. Alan
      Alan
      July 12, 2011 at 3:18 pm | | Reply


      I’m still trying to think of one country where soccer ranks as low on the sports totem pole as it does in the United States. I’m not talking abou World Cup fever. I’m talking about overall popularity. Soccer is not even in the top 5 or 6. Maybe we should worry about increasing soccer popularity in the US before worrying about pro/rel. There are many big markets where Tier 2 soccer would be an absolute joke in terms of attendance and a TV deal (if they would even get one). Comparing the US to other soccer crazy countries is crazy. Pro/rel could happen someday, but we are a ways off from that.

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